Resident doctors synicsl strike again

[uneffingbelievable]

The resident doctors have once again announced a 6 day strike to co incide with a bank holiday weekend.

Whilst I support fair pay and working conditions I have lost all sympathy with them. This is not poverty when you are being paid as a whole package 40-95000 gross on a 44 hr week depending on your seniority.

The arguments about lack of jobs did not stack up with more jobs going to home graduates than IMGS despite the hysteria and a huge number of home graduates not even bothering to apply.

They are coming across as tone deaf and entitled or am I missing something.

Not sure why you are posting out of date stats from 2024. We are talking about 52% of F2s having no work in August 2025.

I am wondering why the 2025 stats have not been published yet.

We have been through this before. They really don't. Trainees are prioritised.

Of course you have not seen it as you are on the outside looking in.

Thank you for your explanation

As are you.

Absolutely not in the same situation as you.

What on earth do you mean now?

Ok, well obviously I am not going to share my kids employers and salaries but a couple of data driven examples ( of many - finance and law being the obvious examples to add in)
Aldi graduate trainees, 44k and a car
BP 45 k
civil service fast track 45-55k
etc etc, none of which involve working all weekend, seven days in a row, a week of long days 8-8, followed by a week of nights 8-8 etc.

Civil service fast track starting salary is £31000. And it's massively competitive to get in. But don't let facts get in the way of a good story.

Last year there were 754 appointment to fast track, from 73000 applicants, so about 1 in 10 were accepted.

There were 8000 home medical students (a huge number) from 24000 applicants, i.e about 1 in 3 were accepted.

Increasingly it looks as though medicine is the choice for people with fewer options.

Sorry, my post above should have read that about 1 in 100 fast track applicants are accepted. I was too late to edit. I should learn not to cook and post at the same time!

Sorry, @Scotiasdarling -

The point you wish to make is even stronger than you say. Do the maths with your data again! 754/73000 = 1.03%. That would be the success rate. About 1 in 100.

Over time the fast stream success rate is said to vary in the range 1.5 -2.5%.

I have confirmed the starting salary you gave a couple of places so I have no idea where @JaffavsCookie got her data.

Sorry, @Scotiasdarling - crosspost! I understand well the perils of multitasking.
I have messed up much worse

There is always a significant lag time

This needs to be more well known.

So do the reasons why, whatever they may be.

If you can find some useful statistics for 2025, please inform us.

Otherwise, appreciate that @Marchesman is sharing the most up to date data that exists.

Does the GMC publish a comprehensive report every year? This one is really very good, and has cost a fair amount of effort. My discipline would only do this every few years.

MumsNet has about 8M unique users per month. Unless your DC work for small, regional employers it is very unlikely that these data could be outing in any way.

You don’t see the work of the lawyers protecting your rights, of the many people from all disciplines who work equally hard the country free and safe. And, in a different way, to keep the citizenry alive and well. That’s the way it should be.

None are asking to be seen as heroes. I don’t think doctors do, either. I assume most would be embarrassed to read about their so called heroics on this thread.

Of course they could, the specific combinations of jobs is unlikely to be a very common occurrence and I have been “outed” on here before twice over the years.

@JaffavsCookie And the number of applicants for one fast track civil service job is??? Look at the stats and weep. Ditto with law.

It’s all very well saying why are lawyers mentioned, but 30,000 get law degrees each year. How many of them walk into jobs paying £42,000 plus overtime? An absolute handful. Then there’s non law grads too. They can be 40% of law training position intake. You then clearly see why doctors are well off when compared to many. Ease of getting work, the best earnings of all grads as a cohort and gold plated pensions enabling early retirement. And yes @poetryandwine, I agree others do make a phenomenal contribution to this country in terms of law, engineering infrastructure and economic growth etc.

All doctors are in training all the time - we never stop learning from our patients, Numbered trainees do not get prioritised - how can they on a rolling rota where everyone does the same weeks of days nights etc. They all have access to ciinics, theatres teaching etc.
They all get an AES and they all get to collate evidence for their portfolios. The evidence to do it on your own and cESR is much harder to collate than getting a CCT.
Speciality training did not stop people doing their own rotations and succeeding - I see it every day.

Purple -are you sure you are a doctor?

Are you sure you are a doctor? I find it incredible that you (say) are working as a doctor in the NHS and have no idea that trainees on a training programmes take priority in training opportunities over Trust grades.

Also do you know that the deanery would pull the trainees out if they did not have sufficient training experiences as Trust grades got equal priority.

The trust grade doctors do not get the same priority for training experiences. They may get some training depending on their contract. If they did doctors would not be concerned about getting into specialty training.

You should know that becoming a consultant via an alternative route to a formal training programme is not for the faint hearted.

That is utter rubbish. People get recognised on MN a lot.

Could you please address the statistics from the 2024 GMC report, @PurpleFairyLights ?

I have already indicated sympathy for career progression problems but if people will not apply for jobs that is a bit different.

People may think they get recognised. How do they know?

In any case the data unless @JaffavsCookie ’s answer is ‘My daughter is a bishop in the Church of England and my son is a BBC news anchor’, which is overly specific anyway, her children’s professions are not likely to be the vehicle.

Where do they want this money to come from? I remember having a Twitter argument once (albeit with NHS nurses) who said they wanted to get paid more. I said something around the lines of having more private insurance involvement and having a social insurance model. Some competition and free markets would mean they would get paid more. They had a huff and puff about "privatisation" and said they weren't greedy. But then I said they wanted to get paid more and expected us to foot the extra bill.