To think Labour is not the party of the working people.

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I voted for Labour as I believed their election pledge of being a party for the working people but genuinely I can’t think of one thing, since they’ve been in power, that they’ve done to help me (a single working mother on around £42k a year)! I get zero help from UC, these mystical breakfast clubs don’t exist, people aren’t employing people due to their ridiculous NI implications, they aren’t building affordable housing, energy prices are insanely high and all they talk about is grants (which won’t affect me as I live in a flat)! Genuinely I can’t think of one thing that they’ve done to help working people in the middle. Why are Labour sticking their heads in the sand? Why do they refuse to help the squeezed working class? They are stopping this economy from thriving - as
nobody can afford to spend anything extra (treats, holidays, meals out etc etc)!

She doesn't need to win Labour/left votes. Which is why I said she needs to win back One Nation Tories.

Well it’s Labour who have decided to increase the two child benefit. I’m sorry but that fucking infuriates me. Why should working people, who are already struggling to afford things themselves, pay for people on benefits to breed?

They keep telling us that there’s no money and that they need to raise taxes, yet they seem to have plenty when it comes to dishing out benefits.

This. I don't know what people are expecting

miracles apparently.

How on earth can any gov slash welfare spending with an ageing population?

Not really. It seems to be people who don’t vote for them anyway saying this.

Means test pensioner benefits as a first start.

Slowly fizzle away the state pension to get to a system where we all privately save, invest and plan for retirement. Those who've paid in get a lump sum back to do as they please.

Some figures would be useful.regarding the amount of benefits claimants in July 2024 compared to now. And also some evidence regarding companies being unwilling to employ people for reasons other than Labour policies.

Well it’s Labour who have decided to increase the two child benefit. I’m sorry but that fucking infuriates me. Why should working people, who are already struggling to afford things themselves, pay for people on benefits to breed

This is one policy I actually do support. Too many children are in poverty. The majority of people aren’t breeding for benefits. I’m a higher rate tax payer who stuck at 2dc.

You support Labour generally don’t you, not just this policy, going by pp.

So who does she need to win over to increase the Tories vote share to a position where she has a hope of winning? The Reform/Restore cohort?

And public sector payrises. Dont forget tbr train drivers on £80,000 at the start of Labour's term.

I totally get your anger and feel it too but I've got the point where I've realized that none of the political parties especially Labour and the Cons have any interest beyond their own self gain.

Labour spent years castigating the Cons for their disability benefit reforms/cuts only to pretty much copy and paste their ideas. The big political trick is to get folk like us to feel like our taxes wages are being directly handed to the local druggies to get us enraged so we are distracted while they do absolutely nothing to improve the country.

How much would that lump sum be? And how would the money be raised? It’s certainly what a political party that wished to commit electoral suicide might propose.

Can you expand @EasternStandard?

Im a floating voter and have voted for every party except Greens.

How did Boris do it in 2019. She needs to get the Red Wall back. And actually the historic Conservative vote. Immigration is the key.

Reform and the Conservatives will hopefully do a pact eventually for the good of the country.

I don’t agree at all. You decide to have children, you pay for them. And yes, people do breed to stay on benefits. That’s exactly what happened before the two child cap.

Then the parents need to WORK. Take different shifts and overtime if needed.
The cap should have stayed put. Schools can provide hot meals for the children as well as uniform vouchers. Canteens could open during school holidays - this would create jobs as all we need is some DBS checked adults rather than teachers, and safeguarding would improve too.

I completely disagree with giving the parents more and more and more and more money.

I’ve just been awarded a 20k bonus and am currently in discussion with my employer about refusing it or swapping it for time off as taking it as cash will leave me worse off.

The thought that any government past or present could possibly think that is a reasonable scenario for any employee to face is ridiculous. To hear Phillipson banging on about saving parents fortunes in childcare costs infuriates me. They take everything from those who contribute the most.

That would take decades to feed through. Any party which proposed that to come into effect within less than about 30 years would be dead in the water.✈️

@MidnightMeltdown I think there is nuance. Look at birth rates, very few are actually breeding in general. Today’s dc are tmws workers and I think need investment. We have diverted a lot of it away from young people.

I would rather have my taxes pay for that then the triple lock.

Economists should calculate it. It's what needs to be done unfortunately. It's a way we can tackle it. Tough decisions and all that.

I agree. But Labour have made it impossible for people to get jobs. So as to create a voting base that needs to come cap in hand to them.

@Whybother2 can you not put extra into your pension to mitigate tax?

im in the north west and the local supermarkets and call centres are always hiring…

We'd be bankrupt far sooner anyway. So a state pension would be a hypothetical.

Thats great. But over all the employment figures aren't encouraging.