To think Labour is not the party of the working people.

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I voted for Labour as I believed their election pledge of being a party for the working people but genuinely I can’t think of one thing, since they’ve been in power, that they’ve done to help me (a single working mother on around £42k a year)! I get zero help from UC, these mystical breakfast clubs don’t exist, people aren’t employing people due to their ridiculous NI implications, they aren’t building affordable housing, energy prices are insanely high and all they talk about is grants (which won’t affect me as I live in a flat)! Genuinely I can’t think of one thing that they’ve done to help working people in the middle. Why are Labour sticking their heads in the sand? Why do they refuse to help the squeezed working class? They are stopping this economy from thriving - as
nobody can afford to spend anything extra (treats, holidays, meals out etc etc)!

@telestrationsthey are making it near impossible for working people and small businesses to help kickstart the economy all their policies do the opposite!

@Pineneedlesincarpeti think the uncomfortable truth is maybe a lot of people on benefits align with Farsge’s way of thinking!

You probably will get it on here but it’s usually more Labour. I agree though.

None that balances out the waste and inefficiency they are presiding over. All whilst screwing over the young and workers who are not on benefits.

@PandoraSocksa shame as I think she’s pretty good! She’s a strong woman, I’d love to see her succeed!

Maybe, but to be frank I don't think Farage gives them a second thought. I somehow doubt his welfare reforms would be backed with effective policies to get people back to work.

I agree. I’ve never voted Tory in my life, but at the moment, she is the best leader by a long shot.

SMEs make up over half of the private sector...the sector that finanaces the public sector. And Labour's policies are destroying it. Employers NI actually encourages business owners to just employ 4 people (including themselves) rather than grow and employ more. Totally counter intuitive. Labour need some people in government that have run a business really.

I have noted on here before we are 30th GDP per capita (the only measure that matters) and falling and only wealthy compared to countries lower down. We have masses of debt, the government wastes money massively and we spend far too much on welfare of unproductive people, productivity is low, we don't make anything anymore and wouldn't need able to as we have one of the highest energy costs in the world. This is all down to successive incompetent governments.

@Menopausalsourpussah thats depressing ! 😭😭💕

How do you know this oh mighty one? I'll be happy when the welfare state is slashed.

@Pineneedlesincarpetyes totally! I’m not a politician but in my job we risk asses every move and anyone with a modicum of common sense would have realised this! Even the toolmaker himself!

And you're falling for their tricks. Politicians love doing this. Are you absolutely sure all the problems in this country affecting working class people are caused by folk on benefits?

The cons like to make out labour are a party supporting benefits claimants yet it's their UC PIP systems that have seen claims balloon in size and it not because people have got better at working the system it's by design.

Do you think the private companies who lobby the government have any interest in employing those people because I can tell you that they don't and while you're happily distracted as they focus your anger at benefits claimants the politicians can happily get away with anything.

Politics across the Western world are completely broken due to many reasons the foremost being to refusal to acknowledge that China has progressed far more than they want to believe and has always been an historical powerhouse for thousands of years apart from a 100-200 year blip and own most of the debt we owe.

The entire West needs radical change but it's not going to come from parties like Reform/Restore or the Greens and that change will be painful for everyone including those on benefits and the working class however such change is unlikely to happen.

I think she is making a mistake in following in Reform's footsteps. I think there are a lot of politically homeless One Nation conservatives out there that she could win back if she moved away from that. But she pretty much discounted that approach in the speech she made a while back.

Also, an aside! Really love the more good natured chat going on in this thread! I was prepared to be nailed to the cross but everyone seems to partaking in good debate 💕

She’s not going to get dedicated Labour / left voters. She’s doing well so far.

@PandoraSockshmmm maybe she needs another group of strong women behind her - to guide her ! I have to say her Reform rhetoric is the only thing that makes me dislike her - she doesn’t need it!

And Labour's policies are destroying it. Employers NI actually encourages business owners to just employ 4 people (including themselves) rather than grow and employ more

Interestingly other countries have higher social security taxes for employers which results in better funded healthcare & pensions.

She’s certainly turned me off, I’m not interested in Reform or a version of.

Tbf Labour use Mahmood for the same so I’m not sure why they have criticism on that.

Mighty one? If you'd been polite I would have been happy to point you towards the data ✈️

100% this. I'm not sure most people understand how "poor" the UK economy is, relative to countries we previously thought as comparable.

Ireland is way ahead of the UK, almost double.

Which is also a big mistake and turning people off.

Do you usually vote for them?

Politicians are really doing a number on the population, particularly those on the right. They’d have us all believe the parlous state of the country is down to immigrants or benefit claimants when it’s actually the result of woeful mismanagement of the economy since 2008 and the act of self harm that was Brexit. I’m also disappointed in the current government but it inherited a shit show and Trump’s recent lunacy is just going to make it worse.