Just get mounjaro!

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The more threads I read, the more and more posters seem to respond with “just get mounjaro” for posters wanting to lose as little as 10 lbs to get within a healthy BMI. More traditional methods of weight loss appear to be out of fashion and as though you’d be foolish to do it the perceived hard way when you can just inject a drug.
I was reading a thread where a poster had a BMI of just over 25 who was told to just get WLIs. What happened to them being for those who are obese?
Is this the way things are going now? Gained a few pounds over Christmas or on holiday? Just inject and don’t worry about it!
Anybody going against the grain of weight loss injections is often accused of being jealous. It’s a bit cult like on some threads as though WLI are the only valid way to lose weight and you’d be foolish to try any other way because “diets don’t work” and just adopting a healthier diet and lifestyle is laughable; a fool’s game and you’ll end up fat again. Well, yes, if you go back to your old habits, just like any method of weight loss.

Just a bit of a rant really on this sunny Tuesday!

I did say "seems"... and I wonder why it needs a rhetorical flourish at all tbh.

The authors of the BMJ review were very careful to caveat their findings and specify the need for more research, which is sensible given the limitations. It's unfortunate that this part of their message has been much less quoted than some other findings. I do think they're likely to get their wish, because it's such a live issue at the moment.

for the people with a BMI of 25 it is. for people who just need to lose 1 or 2kg it is

I would like to see more research into methods of discontinuing, so tapering down over varying periods of time, compared to stopping immediately, and what the impact of any specific exercise or diet, or other, support programmes might be.

Even then, I don't particularly see what the point is of stating that regain is almost inevitable? Should I not have lost the weight and not even try to maintain the loss? What is the substantive point being made here?

My point is to warn users that if they want to lose a lot of weight using weight loss injections, that's fine, but be prepared to be on them (and spend the money) for the rest of their lives or the weight will return.

Someone very close to me has spent her whole life dieting and is desperate to lose weight but keeps regaining it. I suspect many WLI users are the same. So it would be devastating to lose a huge amount of weight at great cost, only to regain all the weight very quickly.

So in case users don't know this, I'm making the information available so they have all the facts.

I welcome WLIs. They are incredibly effective for obesity and many other health issues. But they are not the quick fix they are made out to be.

And I find it interesting how defensive posters are to me posting facts.

But as I said in my post, it’s to
avoid illness etc, do you think that relates to people with 1 or 2kg to lose?

As I said it’s not always about vanity, i didn’t say it’s never about vanity.

How people spend their money is non of your business and if they’re happy being on them long term, that’s fine.

It’s not about you posting facts, it’s about posts like this full of criticism and “why don’t they just”. It’s not seemed to occur to some people that everyone is different with their journeys on diets etc.

@PracticalPolicy losing a lot of weight is much more than fine, and it is well worth the risk of regain and of taking medication long term. That’s the risk/benefit analysis for these medications in a nutshell.

You worry that your close relative/friend might lose all the weight and then regain at a rate of 0.8kg a month, and not realise that she could restart or continue with medication to avoid that? I’d not be that worried about that tbh.

This is weird. You are on mumsnet. You are not warning anyone. Not on this thread.

It’s around 80%, and surely that applies to every ‘diet’ if you suddenly stop doing what originally helped you lose weight. Strange argument.

I think the people on them may appear ‘cult’ like because they were just continually attacked about it for a long time. Nothing but negatively they decided to stand collectively and say fuck off they’ve changed my life. Fair play. I tried them but has loads of physical side effects so stopped. Lost 2 1/2 stone myself now, so people are definitely still doing the ‘the old fashioned way.’

Fair enough. But what about those who think they only need to pay a few thousand pounds now and then it will be fine?

I haven't said "why don't they just?". I know how hard it is to lose weight and keep it off. I know it's different for different people. You are ascribing motives to me that just do not exist.

If you are reading other motives into my posts that is on you, not me.

what about them though? the alternative is that they don't lose weight at all?

They will live and learn like anyone? What is your point? I think you are appealing to the thickest of people, not the person of average intellect.

Really? Strange how?

Spend thousands of pounds to lose weight only to.see it all regained quicker than dieting?

I think it's a reasonable point.

Here is my point for the hard of thinking:

Are you prepared to spend thousands of pounds on weight loss drugs to achieve your desired weight and size, only for all the weight to be regained within two years once you stop? And if you don't want to regain the weight are you prepared to keep spending thousands of pounds on WLIs?

If your answer is yes to keep spending the money, or yes that's the risk that I will take that I will regain all the weight, then fine, you know what you're getting yourself into.

For those who are upset or defensive about this, then look to yourselves. Maybe you are scared that I might have a point and you're going to have to be on these drugs for life.

I am not criticising anyone for using these drugs.

Not my point. Lose the weight. Stay on the injections.

It's in the best interests of any obese person to understand that for the whole of their lives, they will be either an obese or formerly obese person, which means their body doesn't behave in the same way as someone who's never been obese, and that there's only one way proven to keep obese people at a healthy BMI on a population level. I think the more of us who get that, the better.

Could you be any more patronising? 🙄 Nice to know I shouldn't worry about anything that doesn't effect me, so I shouldn't be worried about the conflict in the middle east, Ukraine and Sudan or shit going down in the USA? If only it was so easy to tell my brain that!
I'd say people lying about their weight in order to get these drugs when they don't need them aren't doing it with proper medical oversight. I've never tried to get weight loss injections, so you saying I can't get them is stupid.

I'm not appealing to anyone. I have no idea about the level of people's intellect.

I don't see what your problem is.

Do you let everyone on medication for a chronic condition know the same? Go round making sure people with high blood pressure know that if they come off their meds their blood pressure will go up, for example?

Or let people who are losing weight without the assistance of WLI know that if they stop dieting and return to old eating patterns know they'll gain wait?

You're basing your point on one small study following people who were on the drugs for a short amount of time, and which the authors of have admitted requires more research.

Most people on the jabs understand that there is a risk of weight gain if you stop taking them, so I'm really not sure what you're trying to achieve, and I have no skin in the game because I'm lucky enough to have never been overweight.

Yes that's exactly what I do.

It's my literal job. It doesn't pay particularly well but gives me tremendous satisfaction.

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@PracticalPolicy you would only regain all the weight within two years if you had only lost the study average of 8kg though and assuming you stopped immediately rather than tapered. You would also have lost more than a traditional diet and even with the possible faster weight regain you’d still be at a lower weight for a longer period of time.

I’m not going to stop taking it, I’m intelligent enough to understand that I’ll put the weight back on! Surely that applies to a huge amount of medication; statins, BP tablets etc, they only work whilst you are taking them. WLI aren’t like a course of antibiotics.

The money I have spent has been worth every penny and I do not begrudge it.

You seem to think you have superior intelligence over the average person, you don’t.

I know you're trying to be funny, I guess we have different sense of humours.

Could you explain why you feel the need to point it out to people using WLI but not to anyone else then?