In saying 30 years is not enough?

[Blackoutbeans]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cjeng8nnn5kt

This scum gets 30 years of free board and accomodation after destroying so many lives. I hope the other prisoners give him hell but I have a feeling he might be enjoying that.

But what happens after 30 years, or is then even a possibility of early release? He will still be young enough to be able to carry out such perversions, why isn't chemical castration at least an option for such despicable human beings??

Says who? He would be eligible for a parole hearing after serving 2 thirds of his sentence. It doesn't mean he'd be successful. It isn't a decision made individually, it's made as a panel. For someone in his case he'd have criteria that has to be met before he could even be considered, and the criteria is almost always nigh on impossible to achieve.

People get so easily outraged by things that have only happened in their heads.

True but on the other hand if he had the sheer audacity to commit these offences firstly in plain sight but also knowing he was being watched on CCTV is extremely chilling and absolutely points to the possibility of many other unrecorded offences, as he clearly took every opportunity he could.

I totally agree, any parent who's child had anything to do with that man must be fear ridden. As the judge said, he was every parents worst nightmare so if there any way this could have been stopped, those people need to be held accountable too as turning a blind eye to any kind of safeguarding concerns that may have been raised about him but ignored is a crime in itself!

Only happened in their heads? Jon Venables released just 8 years after the torture and murder of a toddler. He then went on to commit more vile acts against children. The very reason why children are tried as adults from the age of 10, and he was released early.

This is one of many cases where highly dangerous criminals were released early for their heinous crimes. It happens all the time. People have far too much faith in the CJS, and until you've been thoroughly let down by them, you will never understand the outrage.

People live in blissful ignorance thinking a sentence is handed out and thats that, they serve their time and justice served (and often call other people ignorant for not being satisfied with that(!)). It really isnt, and they rarely serve a whole sentence.

Irrespective of whether this monster serves 30 years or not, if he makes it out alive, he will do it again. True paedophilia is a mental Illness, they always do it again. People want to say capital punishment isnt a deterrent, but dont want discuss that clearly our pathetic justice system isnt either, they know they might be handed a big sentence, but who cares? They'll likely get released early and they know that.

It’s visceral isn’t it ?The feeling of horror at crimes so heinous they are outside the comprehension of most of us; we want the perpetrator to be punished in as unpleasant a way as possible.

However, for the reasons well-articulated above, we don’t have the death penalty here, and I agree with that.

Prison is not a soft option and even among segregated prisoners there is a hierarchy, or what could be described as a lowarchy which will mean prisoners like Nathan Bennett will be considered the lowest of the low. If he has any understanding of this, he will be in continual fear of anything from his food being tampered with to the possibility of being assaulted or killed. Recent events have shown prisoners are not completely safe in prison but that’s a different debate.

Depending on where he is incarcerated, he may have to spend up to 23 hours a day in his cell on his own. Depending on his mental state he may be subject to increased surveillance.

I don’t think the Judge’s sentencing remarks have been published yet and I will be interested to see the Judge’s ‘calculations’. My visceral feeling is a life sentence would be appropriate, but the guidelines don’t allow for that. The issue between the physical and psychological taking of life is, again, another debate.

It is possible the CPS may appeal his sentence.

Venables was released after 8 years because our home secretary and criminal justice system royally fucked up in how they managed the trial.

But this chap isn't Venables. So yes you're getting angry over something that hasn't happened.

Bennett lived in one of the villages local to where we live. I must admit that I did some quick calculations to work out if DS or any other children we know may have come into contact with him if he's worked in other similar settings. Luckily my DS is too old to have been at nursery during what would have been the 12-14 years since Bennett started his working life.

I feel that perpetrators of crime towards children should have a victorian prison experience- damp cells, minimal access to light and minimal food.

@wishingonastar101THIS. We need to be SHOUTING about this. I mean seriously, WHY and HOW was this allowed to happen.

where have child welfare, accountability, team work, protective measures gone.

this is not one bloody incident.

it’s a catalogue of behaviour in a care setting.

There are many people who should be held accountable here.

it’s staggering. I work in a small early years setting. Even taking a child to the toilet is recorded and done in a room off the main room with multiple care givers in and out. I mean FFS I can’t even go to the toilet.

people need to take more responsibility for what’s going on around them.

I agree with this. Child abusers are really looked down on my prisoners and often attacked. They are normally kept separate from other inmates where possible”

A similar criminal in Scotland got a light sentence for his first offence. When he raped a disabled woman, he was placed in a facility for the criminally insane. In effect, he's in prison for life.

Exactly! How was it this man was left alone with any child?! Particularly after so many red flags had been raised already about him. The guy had holes in the crotch of his trousers FFS!! I am literally astounded that something as horrific as this has happened when we are supposed have such a robust safeguarding process in place these days.

Im getting angry over his despicable crime, and the fact that history always repeats itself, and that there is even a possibility he could be released early, which there is.

You've just stated our home secretary and CJS royally fucked up that case - guess what? They do it all the time! It was not the case they fucked that case up and never fucked another case up ever again. Excuse me for not having faith in a criminal 'justice' system that would glady ship trash like this out of prison and back onto the streets in the name of saving money. What its all about at the end of the day.

@cocopopseverydayit makes me want to scream.

I do not understand how ANY person working with vulnerable children or adults can be ignored when raising concerns, or indeed how “managers” can ignore. They need to be facing criminal charges and banned from ever working with children again.

This despicable crime should never have happened but those who turned a blind eye are just as culpable and allowed it to continue.

There are certain crimes for which attempts to rehabilitate will never work. And attacks on children are one of those crimes. There is no ‘I served my time’. They are simply on a countdown until they have an opportunity to destroy another child’s life. I don’t agree with the death sentence; mostly because of the increased risk to victims but also because I think they should be laying awake in their cells at night, worrying about what’s coming next. I want them to be frightened for every minute of their sentence.

What I do think should happen is a complete overhaul of the justice system, increasing sentences as well as some serious money being poured into police resources to stop these monsters and probation services to keep a really close eye on them after conviction and/release. No getting off with a suspended sentence for possessing images of CSA. Serious sentences, indefinite probation, ongoing chemical castration treatment if they are released.

I also think that legislation around how many members of staff should be in the room when changing children in nurseries etc needs to be introduced or seriously tightened up. If flags are raised (in any professional setting) and you ignore them, then there needs to be legal repercussions for that. And I would like to see the police and NSPCC going into schools more than they are. Anyone who is involved with any attempt to reframe these monsters as the horrific Minor Attracted Person needs to have a visit from police, just making it very clear that they are on their radar.

I also want to get rid of this sneering idiocy that some people exhibit; ‘Oh, you’re one of those people who think there’s a paedophile on every street corner’. Well there fucking is a paedophile on every street corner. And if you don’t understand that, then you’ve been bloody lucky and you’re being frighteningly naive.

I’m so glad you didn’t get flamed for this stance.

Whilst I’m ordinarily an articulate and open-minded person, I can’t substantiate why it’s just heebie jeebies when a guy works in early years childcare.

I looked around a nursery and the “headmaster” did the tour. Instant nope. In his second sentence to me he’d told me about his husband. A woman wouldn’t have done that. Just…off. And we can all be woke and #BeKind, but I won’t when it comes to my kid

Precisely. They're complicit in the whole thing if they have been alerted but continue to ignore the complaints. It makes you wonder what their motives are behind witholding the concerns from the authorities which they are legally obligated to disclose. He is a monster but what is their excuse?

@cocopopseveryday

ive had a basic search and whilst the nursery is closed, presumably all the staff now have jobs? Presumably someone knows where they are. Perhaps they are on here. Perhaps they are now caring for other MN children.

there are no reports of disciplinary action against any other staff that I can find.

I hope they never sleep again.

it goes beyond any basic moral instinct to allow this to happen.

30 years is f* all. I think only young people under 50 think it is a long time. 1996 is not quite yesterday to a 50-year-old but you'd still be an adult (albeit a young one) and time then moves very fast.
The cnut will be out in less time, anyway.
The general public will have forgotten.
He'll look different, too.

But some, apparently, think the death penalty to be a bad thing. God knows why.
I'd bring it back tomorrow for scum like him.

Another one! My mind has lost count over the past two years. wtf is going on

Who on earth employed that to look after kids.

Yes, I agree with this.

I also don't trust our justice system enough to ever agree with the death penalty. Nor do I think it's something people should be performing, for their MH.

I object to him being isolated. I wouldn't object if he was thrown in with the biggest sex starved desperate men.

he should be in for life, hopefully he'll never get released.

@pteromum

I watched it on the lunchtime news today. The lawyers representing the families were saying they're now looking at how this was allowed to happen. I think there are a number of families taking civil action against the nursery management so hopefully that will lead to disqualification!

I absolutely concur.
Unfortunately, isn't the blank slate mentality that men and women are the same partially to blame for this piece of scum being employed in the first place?

I get the vibe that you don't believe that they're just the same but with different body parts but I hope you see that this is a question asked in good faith.

scot-free - without receiving the deserved or expected punishment or without being harmed - Cambridge Dictionary

How can anyone say that 30 years in prison for this monster is punishment enough? Deprived of liberty, seriously? Getting served nutritious meals, access to courses, to exercise, books and the internet sounds to you like being deprived of liberty? The only thing that prison will do for this person is stop him for molesting any more young boys for the next few decades. That is, of course, if he doesn't get out sooner due to 'budget cuts' or good behaviour.

And then he is out, he is still young, in his 50's and you are telling me that prison reformed him and he won't go on raping again?

I am not calling for capital punishment, I do not believe in that. That would be getting away easy, he'd be dead and that is that. I am calling for an eye for an eye, I am calling for this monster's worst nightmares to come true. Whilst I know that our justice system would not allow for that, as a parent I cannot comprehend how we as a society are allowing this to go unpunished.

Absolutely, they are also guilty and it will be interesting to see if any action will be taken in relation to the nursery management and staff who've allowed for this to happen. As I understand he has worked for several years in childcare environments, how this got so far is beyond any comprehension.

He is not walking amongst us now, today and for the next 20 odd years. Would you like him to be your grandchildren's neighbour? Keep an eye on them when mum needs to run to the post office?

See my previous post re sentencing to death, he deserves much much worse.