In saying 30 years is not enough?

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cjeng8nnn5kt

This scum gets 30 years of free board and accomodation after destroying so many lives. I hope the other prisoners give him hell but I have a feeling he might be enjoying that.

But what happens after 30 years, or is then even a possibility of early release? He will still be young enough to be able to carry out such perversions, why isn't chemical castration at least an option for such despicable human beings??

if you bring back hanging then you’re risking executing people who are innocent, because there are people who are innocent in prison and have been released before
I’m not saying I agree with this persons sentence but if you open the doors to execution then we are saying it’s ok to possibly kill an innocent person. Which is no better than being a murderer really

Not as "wrong" as saddos who have nothing better to do than hang around on forums desperately trying to be edgy and inflammatory 😆

It could be prevented by banning men from working in nurseries.

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No, I think not wanting this child rapist dead is definitely more wrong than posting on mumsnet. The only person on this entire post trying to be edgy and inflammatory is you, chief of police XDownwiththissortofthingX. Insulting and belittling anyone who doesnt want pedophiles released from prison after serving half of a sorry-arse sentence, embarrassing. But you keep on routing for those pedophiles, though I must say, its not a great look on you.

When your victims can not tell anyone what you did then you deserve to remain behind bars for life.

I understand that and agree ultimately, but i think in cases like this where there is solid, physical evidence against the perpetrator, capital punishment should definitely be employed.

This guy is not going to be released after serving half his sentence.

Betraying your ignorance yet again,

And still people continue to argue that it’s unfair to ban men from working with babies in nurseries because NAMALT. Which is true of course, not all men are child rapists but virtually all child rapists are men. We need to stop centring the hurt feelings of men and start prioritising the safety of children.

It’s unlikely this vile creature will serve his full sentence. If he doesn’t end up dead beforehand, I’ve no doubt in a couple of decades some fucking idiot will assess him and decide he’s no longer a threat because he’s had sufficient therapy, has shown remorse and is fully rehabilitated. Plus we can’t lock people up forever because it’s not civilised🙄

You have such faith in the system, bless your heart. Cos everyone who gets life, serves life, right? xd

Don't forget to pepper some more insults in, it makes you look really intelligent!

Maybe the poster thinks it'll make them think 'oh, better not do it' and not give them an incentive to murder any potential witnesses (and police) because instead of a prison sentence, they'd be facing death.

I think the State killing you must be the greatest incentive to making damn sure nobody can testify if they manage to arrest you in the first place, however.

Did you ignore or misunderstand what the person you are quoting was saying?

They were saying that if someone is people are punished as severely for sexual offences as they are for murder, then it makes it more victimes will be murdered as well as raped.
The offender is going to receive the same punishment and by killing their victim they make it less likely they will be caught as the victim cannot identify them.

Not chemical either...nice rusty, blunt knife should do it!

A hill that I will die on is that chemical castration should be mandatory for these types of men.

Whats frustrating is that sex offenders are put on protective wings with other sex offenders.

Imagine a peadophile being surrounded by other like minded people.
They spend their free time swapping stories, photos and writing pornographic stories.

He’s quite high profile, so he’ll be even more protected.

I used to be so against the death penalty as I felt it was the easy way out but too many of these men get out and still pose a risk to children.

And when it turns out, as in a recent case, that the rapist was innocent - what then?
Would you think the same if your son was convicted of rape?

Honestly i didn't understand it cos it was just one big waffle full of insults tbh. I understand that point completely, but i think If they know they're going to be murdered if they were to rape someone, they would just feel less inclined to rape them, and find it harder to do so. Not only have they then raped someone, but also have to cover up a murder, i just dont see how she is arguing this is no way a deterrent. I think it can go either way, though. In addition, being the lowest form of scum and raping children is often done because they know they can't tell anyone regardless, so makes little difference there.

But thanks for having the intellect to make a point without adding an insult in every 2 lines, I appreciate it and was able to receive and understand your perspective adequately.

Because rape is not murder

Yes, rape can have lifelong consequences but it is not the same thing as murder and the total end of life

If murderers and rapists get exactly the same sentence, there’s an argument that rapists will go on to murder more victims as there’s less of a deterrent for them to not escalate their crimes.

I’m not excusing either crime, but I do see murder & rape, as an escalation of rape.

So you think this man has been falsely accused and that he’s innocent?

Obviously you would not put someone to death unless there was actual physical evidence like in this case and chemical castration is temporary.

She is arguing that it's not a deterrent, because that's what the evidence shows. Harsher punishments are generally speaking not a deterrent because the majority of criminals don't think they will get caught!

I'm not sure I agree that a 30 year sentence equates to getting off scot free.

I also don't agree with the death penalty. And chemical castration doesn't stop someone offending either. It can help to reduce the likelihood of re-offending when part of a holistic treatment plan but it absolutely isn't a fail safe.

But people are living in an absolute fantasy world if they think everyone who commits awful crimes against children is targeted in prison.

Of course no one is thinking this man has been falsely accused and convicted but miscarriages of justice do happen. There is a very recent case, whose name escapes me, of a man spending many years in prison for rape before it was established that he didn't do it and he has been released. Another man is currently being tried for the offence.

If the convicted man had been sentenced to death, the state would have killed an innocent man

People like this often get killed in prison. I used to work in one.

Because 30 years when you're 30 means still getting out by at least 60, having chance to live your life and enjoy your freedom having committed one of the most disgusting crimes in existence, repeatedly, to numerous children.

Concurrent sentences so 30 years per kid... That would do it

If they dont think they will get caught, then why would they kill their victim out of fear of capital punishment?

Her point was basically if a rapist is going to rape someone, they think fuck it, im gonna get caught anyway, I might as well kill them.

But now harsher punishments are not a deterrent because criminals dont think they will get caught? In which case, if capital punishment was legalised, criminals wouldnt commit murder as well as rape, because they don't believe they will be caught anyway.

This is why in my last comment I said I think it can go either way.

I'd like to add i think this nursery should be held accountable as well. I thought it was universally true that 2 people had to present when changing nursery children, and if they failed to employ this measure they should also be held accountable. I agree with surveillance and other people being there to witness crimes is the biggest deterrent, and if the nursery had bothered to ensure this safety measure was being practiced, its likely none of this would of happened in the first place.

It doesn't necessarily mean anything happened elsewhere but imagine knowing your son was at a nursery he'd worked previously. You'd turn yourself inside else with fear over what might have happened. Same as for the other parents in this nursery. The fear of who and what, it must be agony never knowing for sure