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Is it normal for a male to always be addressed in email correspondence? 😡

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PeppyAmberHedgehog · 13/03/2026 18:46

Edit: title was meant to say 'always addressed first'

This is annoying me for various historical reasons, but to add insult to injury, this man-child family member is always addressed first in joint business and legal letters. He is second born, second alphabetically. Really? In 2026?

OP posts:
BatchCookBabe · 14/03/2026 09:56

I'm just finding this all so bizarre, because this is not my experience - anywhere. And never has been. If DH and I book or order something together, it's addressed to the 2 of us. If I order or book something, it's addressed to me. If he orders or books something it's addressed to him.

Who on earth are all these companies, completely ignoring women, even when they are there booking/purchasing something with their husbands, and not including them on any of the paperwork? (And seemingly not even talking to them?!) And even worse, addressing things to the husband when she is the one who purchased/ordered/booked something in her own name?

Honestly, never happened to me in 35 years of being with DH, let alone recently!

SuitablyScolded · 14/03/2026 09:58

HoppityBun · 14/03/2026 09:31

I think the problem comes from the convention of women changing their surname to that of their husbands, on marriage. Fortunately, from my point of view, many women are now choosing not to do that. Perhaps you didn’t do that, but if you did then you would be Mrs [husband first name] husband’s surname. Miss Deirdre Smith becomes Mrs Edward Jones.

Your first name then goes between the Mrs and the husband surname on divorce or widowhood. Mrs Edward Jones becomes Mrs Deirdre Jones. Alternatively Deirdre Jones can then revert to being Deirdre Smith.

So, that’s the convention, which you’ve partially followed if you’ve adopted your husband‘s last name. Perhaps from now on, women who don’t want their husband’s first name, won’t take his last name.

Personally, I find it absolutely infuriating to have to use any form of title at all. Unfortunately, computers are set up to require one before they let you proceed so I just give in. Actually, I think it’s the computer programming that is causing the problems and nobody is going to be able to override that.

https://debretts.com/forms-of-address-after-divorce/

I don't give two hoots if that's the convention, it's antiquated. I took his surname for my own very good reasons, not his initial nor the title of Mrs.

Youshouldbestrongerthanme · 14/03/2026 10:01

@BatchCookBabe Because I'm not a Mrs? I'm a married Ms MyName. Mrs MyName is my mum!
And we don't have joint bank accounts - the water bill comes out of my account, for example.

HopSpringsEternal · 14/03/2026 10:04

JTRSOP · 13/03/2026 20:03

I work for a law firm and we have to list the man first on our database.

Oh I would not do that. Absolute raise this and get them to justify the reason behind. If they give some shite answer like tradition or protocol point out these things change.

Naunet · 14/03/2026 10:32

I added my partner to my British Gas account a while back, they bumped my name completely, we now get bills addressed to 'Mr HisFirstName HisLastName and'

VimesandhisCardboardBoots · 14/03/2026 10:51

I used to work for a software company that sold software to estate agents. The mail merge functionality was an absolute pain in the arse. If the two names were a Mrs and a Mr Adams, then the software would address the letter to "Mr and Mrs Ken Adams". Used to drive people nuts, and we used to get so many complaints from agents who'd had complaints from their clients.

It was bad enough that it was happening with married couples, but that at least used to be the usual form of address. But it's not exactly infrequent for a brother and sister with the same surname to be selling their deceased parents house!

Apparently it was too much hassle to fix, along with the bug that wouldn't accept more that 10 characters for a first name, so every Christopher in the system got shortened to Christophe.

I'm glad I don't work there any more.

RosesAndHellebores · 14/03/2026 10:59

@HoppityBun I thought a widow remained as Mrs Edward Jones if she chose.

I think you have that bit wrong.

RosesAndHellebores · 14/03/2026 11:03

It's 2026 and I'd hope people can do as they please. Sometimes too, it depends how the combined names work. For example:

Julia and James is clunky compared to James and Julia.

Alice and James works.

The only part of all this that ever bothers me is when some people think some people warrant the courtesy of a title and others don't. It should be all first names or all titles.

RosesAndHellebores · 14/03/2026 11:06

VimesandhisCardboardBoots · 14/03/2026 10:51

I used to work for a software company that sold software to estate agents. The mail merge functionality was an absolute pain in the arse. If the two names were a Mrs and a Mr Adams, then the software would address the letter to "Mr and Mrs Ken Adams". Used to drive people nuts, and we used to get so many complaints from agents who'd had complaints from their clients.

It was bad enough that it was happening with married couples, but that at least used to be the usual form of address. But it's not exactly infrequent for a brother and sister with the same surname to be selling their deceased parents house!

Apparently it was too much hassle to fix, along with the bug that wouldn't accept more that 10 characters for a first name, so every Christopher in the system got shortened to Christophe.

I'm glad I don't work there any more.

Xtopher would work. Cross for Christ. It's remarkably common on old church records.

Quine0nline · 14/03/2026 11:35

They could be like the American " Dear The prettyamberhedgehogs". "Hi, it's The Prettyamderhedgehogs, lady of the house speaking " - oh, that's very Hyacthynth Bucket.

sesquipedalian · 14/03/2026 11:50

HumerousHumous · 13/03/2026 20:37

YANBU, plain old sexism.

As an aside, I have DH’s surname and I know this is considered old fashioned on MN but what I hate more is the Christmas cards addressed to Mr & Mrs (husband’s initials) surname. WTF! It’s mostly his side of the family that do this but also a few on my side and they are older generation. I have mentioned it and was told it was traditional to only put’s DH’s initials. Why not “Mr P & Mrs L surname”?

Because to put “Mr P and Mrs L” is simply incorrect. Once you are married, you are Mrs P Humerous”. You only become Mrs L when you are widowed. Likewise, the late Princess Diana was correctly never that - she was the Princess of Wales as her husband was at that time the Prince of Wales. Prince Michael of Kent’s wife is Princess Michael of Kent. The convention is dropping in that those who still write letters and cards would address it, often, to Mrs L Humerous if they were writing to you alone. Strictly, it’s incorrect, but these days increasingly common. I once sent my newly wed daughter a card to Mrs (husband’s initials ) (husband’s surname) and she gave it to him, thinking it was his. “What,” exclaimed she, “I even lose my initial?” Correctly, I’m afraid so.

Changename12 · 14/03/2026 12:12

sesquipedalian · 14/03/2026 11:50

Because to put “Mr P and Mrs L” is simply incorrect. Once you are married, you are Mrs P Humerous”. You only become Mrs L when you are widowed. Likewise, the late Princess Diana was correctly never that - she was the Princess of Wales as her husband was at that time the Prince of Wales. Prince Michael of Kent’s wife is Princess Michael of Kent. The convention is dropping in that those who still write letters and cards would address it, often, to Mrs L Humerous if they were writing to you alone. Strictly, it’s incorrect, but these days increasingly common. I once sent my newly wed daughter a card to Mrs (husband’s initials ) (husband’s surname) and she gave it to him, thinking it was his. “What,” exclaimed she, “I even lose my initial?” Correctly, I’m afraid so.

This is rubbish. I am not interested in what an outdated institution like the royal family do.
I have never been addressed by my husband’s first name because he told all his friends and family I did not want to be. No ‘official’ organisation has ever addressed me by his first name. I took my husband’s last name because my previous surname was my father’s and he was a b…..d.

MrsHaroldWilson · 14/03/2026 12:18

I remember about 20 years ago, a used car salesman saying to my husband "I'm going to talk to you about this car." My sister was with us, and interjected, "I wouldn't, mate, he won't be the one paying for it!"

Ninerainbows · 14/03/2026 12:23

When I worked inputting mortgage applications I used to put whoever had put themselves first on the info form as Applicant 1, or the person in the couple I had spoken to (very often the woman in heterosexual couples). I made a point of it!

mindutopia · 14/03/2026 12:38

I always address women first, to make a point.

HumerousHumous · 14/03/2026 13:02

Changename12 · 14/03/2026 12:12

This is rubbish. I am not interested in what an outdated institution like the royal family do.
I have never been addressed by my husband’s first name because he told all his friends and family I did not want to be. No ‘official’ organisation has ever addressed me by his first name. I took my husband’s last name because my previous surname was my father’s and he was a b…..d.

I agree Changename12.
Zara Tindall, when at Ascot, has a badge that says “Mrs Michael Tindall”. That’s a royal and upper echelons of society thing. Horrible, sexist and out dated. She should be “Mrs Zara Tindall” or just “Zara Tindall”.

I suppose folk might be along shortly to ask why I took DH’s surname. It was mostly due to the fact that we planned to have children and all wanted the same surname for travelling, legal etc. We also used his because he is the last of the direct descendants with this surname and wanted it to carry on if we had a son (we did).
I need to ask family to not use just my husband’s initial (or just ignore it).

Sorry to slightly derail op but your interesting op does tend to digress to very related issues.

UniquePinkSwan · 14/03/2026 13:07

I don’t care about this at all. I did get a letter from my car insurance that addressed my DH as Mr (my real name). Wasn’t a typo either so it happens both ways

OhamIreally · 14/03/2026 13:17

catipuss · 13/03/2026 20:32

Do they get any advantage from being first on the list? if not someone has to be. Does it matter?

Sorry if someone has already said this but years ago when almost lot of building societies demutualised and people got payouts they went to the first named person on a joint account which was invariably the man.

Irkeddancer · 14/03/2026 14:18

Rozendantz · 14/03/2026 05:31

I've genuinely never noticed nor cared which of us is listed 1st.

However... When DH and I were 1st married he had an account with Barclays, so we also set up a joint account with them. DH's monthly statement arrived addressed to him, and inside was also our joint account statement. It pissed me off, since it was in an envelope addressed only to him, so I contacted Barclays and explained the problem. They didn't see the issue, so I explained again, saying that I'd have to open DH's post in order to see my joint account statement. They refused to change it! We switched to another bank...

Also had this with them! Also auto sent a card with only his name on, I called and they say I could have one in my name "if I want" it's my account too of course I do 🤨

Foodieasfuck · 16/03/2026 20:05

BatchCookBabe · 14/03/2026 09:40

Fuxake I have NO idea why that posted multiple times! Hmm

Ha…
I have no idea why it was addressed to him. The sales man was addressing us both when we there but it was very clear the car was mine. I signed the docs and filled in my details (not my husbands)… I had to get all the warranty/service docs changed - I really kicked off about it.

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