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Really don't like dogs being in virtually every cafe now

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Wishididntseemsogrumpy · 13/03/2026 16:47

I know another one, and yes this is quite trivial really.

Last week we went to a gorgeous new cafe, sat down, and within a minute I realised a large dog had appeared and was licking dds outstretched hand (she was delighted of course) then we had to get up and go and wash before eating, only to see the dog licking her hands again. Argh. Then it turned around and was wagging it's tail into me (I'm unfortunately allergic to fur and would rather not have to have fur on my clothes) - we werent even that close to the other table. It's just so annoying and I know I can ask it's owners to keep it away from us but seems a bit cruel to the dog and I jolly well shouldn't have to, they should be keeping an eye themselves without me having to have an awkward chat. Manners are meant to make everyone feel comfortable and not force people into seeming unreasonable because they don't want to get involved with the animal.

Then this afternoon, different cafe, on my own this time and got the fright of my life when all of a sudden a dog snarled and snapped at a child a few tables away, who of course screamed and was very distressed, someone could have had a heart attack!

I am going to have to be more mindful of places which don't have dogs in future I think.

And I imagine I am probably going to be told I am being unreasonable. I just want a coffee in peace without slobbering or snarling dogs

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Allseeingallknowing · 16/03/2026 14:16

RobinInTheCrabApple · 15/03/2026 19:42

The relevance is that if a dog being around foof or licking your hand was dangerous for you dog owners would be dying in their droves. Instead they are thriving better than non dog owners.

😂😂😂

KimberleyClark · 16/03/2026 14:17

Gonnagetgoingreturnsagain · 16/03/2026 14:15

Yes but as other cafes and restaurants allow it I’m surprised JL isn’t allowing it.

I’m delighted. Don’t want a dog where I’m eating.

As I said upthread I have seen a dog in the cafe at my local John Lewis so it may have been left to the local store’s discretion.

itsnotfairisit · 16/03/2026 14:26

I’d never take my dog to a dept store. Those perfume counters bro no on a migraine for me. I hate to think how my super sniffer of a dog would get on. It would be olfactory overload for the poor creature.

Sladuf1 · 16/03/2026 14:40

@Justareceptionist you are spot on with this:

What I've noticed in recent years though is that everyone is expected to love dogs, and if you don't, you're a terrible person.
Very often, it goes further than that. You're not just expected to love dogs, you're expected to show love to every dog you meet. Fawn over it, stroke it, ask its name, tell the owner how gorgeous it is. People expect it, and I genuinely believe that's why lots of people get them.”

This is precisely why my patience is non-existent now. I can remember the odd occasion when a dog jumped up at me or walked towards me in a public place in the past and once the owner realised, their reaction would be abject horror and the dog would be told off. Some owners are still like that and appreciate not everybody likes dogs or just simply at that moment in time doesn’t want to interact with them.
However, I find more owners are now actively foisting their dog on people or, as you were also describing in that post, waiting around, presenting their dog to the world and expecting everyone else to fawn over it.

@BunnyFrock you were also spot on:

What I hate is owners who get pissed off with you if you ask them to get their dog away from you. Shouldn't have to ask. Owners who think it's ok to walk untrained dogs off lead. I don't want strange untrained dogs running towards me.”

Frequency · 16/03/2026 14:42

It makes sense for JL to allow dogs into their store but not the cafe. They sell designer dog accessories. They don't need to start selling puppaccinos to tap into the dog £££. I imagine their profits from selling dog accessories have soared since allowing them in. I personally wouldn't spend that much on a coat or jumper for my dogs unless they could try it on, because there is no size standardisation across brands. I occasionally take the risk of buying cheap fleeces from MyChiandMe, but otherwise I stick to brands I know or Pets at Home, where they can try things on. One of the chihauhuas is currently wearing a size L harness, the rottweiler's a size M Confused

FishingInTheRiversOfLife · 16/03/2026 16:39

There were two dogs in Space NK yesterday, wagging their shitty tails on the lower-level products. Vile. Staff were fussing the dogs and didn't seem to give a shit about the hygiene. I am sick of it.

Frequency · 16/03/2026 16:52

Has Space NK started selling unpackaged products? If not, I really don't see the issue, and anyone worried about "shitty tails" touching outer packing has clearly never been inside a warehouse. The dogs should be the least of your worries if you plan on licking the outer packaging.

Wr3ck · 16/03/2026 17:11

FishingInTheRiversOfLife · 16/03/2026 16:39

There were two dogs in Space NK yesterday, wagging their shitty tails on the lower-level products. Vile. Staff were fussing the dogs and didn't seem to give a shit about the hygiene. I am sick of it.

You have far greater issues if you’re hysterically worried about a wagging tail on packaging. 😳

Allseeingallknowing · 16/03/2026 17:15

Dogs do lick and slobber, especially big ones! I wouldn’t want not want that in my shop. If I were a customer that would put me off!

Justareceptionist · 16/03/2026 17:35

Sladuf1 · 16/03/2026 14:40

@Justareceptionist you are spot on with this:

What I've noticed in recent years though is that everyone is expected to love dogs, and if you don't, you're a terrible person.
Very often, it goes further than that. You're not just expected to love dogs, you're expected to show love to every dog you meet. Fawn over it, stroke it, ask its name, tell the owner how gorgeous it is. People expect it, and I genuinely believe that's why lots of people get them.”

This is precisely why my patience is non-existent now. I can remember the odd occasion when a dog jumped up at me or walked towards me in a public place in the past and once the owner realised, their reaction would be abject horror and the dog would be told off. Some owners are still like that and appreciate not everybody likes dogs or just simply at that moment in time doesn’t want to interact with them.
However, I find more owners are now actively foisting their dog on people or, as you were also describing in that post, waiting around, presenting their dog to the world and expecting everyone else to fawn over it.

@BunnyFrock you were also spot on:

What I hate is owners who get pissed off with you if you ask them to get their dog away from you. Shouldn't have to ask. Owners who think it's ok to walk untrained dogs off lead. I don't want strange untrained dogs running towards me.”

Exactly, thank you. I have noticed a big shift. Quite honestly, I blame social media. There's so many shorts and memes about how amazing dogs are, how they are better than humans, giving them human voices and imagined personalities etc etc. It makes everyone think that they are above, or at least level with, their human counterparts, and everyone should love and tolerate them.
Even letting them bark and bark, disturbing the whole street, is apparently now acceptable.

And it's absolutely true that people come into my work and let their dog run around the desk to greet me with a indulgent smile and "he's coming to say hello!" What am I to do? I'm at work, and I'm a receptionist. It's my job to be polite and welcoming. So I fuss the dog. But I'm often busy and I don't welcome it at all.

And I am a dog owner who loves dogs.

BunnyFrock · 16/03/2026 17:44

And it's absolutely true that people come into my work and let their dog run around the desk to greet me with a indulgent smile and "he's coming to say hello!" What am I to do? I'm at work, and I'm a receptionist. It's my job to be polite and welcoming. So I fuss the dog. But I'm often busy and I don't welcome it at all

I would politely ask them to get the dog away from me. I certainly wouldn't fuss it. I've said that to friends and strangers. Friends know I don't want dogs demanding my attention and apologise. Strangers take the hump, big time.

eastegg · 16/03/2026 19:03

YeOldeGreyhound · 13/03/2026 17:14

I have seen far more badly behaved children in cafes than dogs. Also parents just letting their kid run riot whilst they scroll on their phone. One time, someone's small child actually managed to leave the cafe without the parent noticing.
Also have seen people use cafe tables as a place to change nappies which is disgusting.
I am anticipating the usual comments about children being vital as opposed to dogs. Sorry but if your baby needs a nappy changing, use the loo. If your toddler is wandering up to other customers, then reign them in.

And I sometimes come across rude serving staff, toilets that haven’t been cleaned properly, tables that haven’t been wiped, all things that impinge on having a nice time in a cafe. But I wouldn’t mention them here because it’s about dogs in cafes. So what’s the relevance of bringing children into it?

RobinInTheCrabApple · 16/03/2026 19:36

Gonnagetgoingreturnsagain · 16/03/2026 11:29

I was expecting that as John Lewis allows dogs in their stores they’d allow them in cafes/restaurants.

Not allowed in food areas, Waitrose or Waitrose cafes.

BunnyFrock · 16/03/2026 20:51

I have seen far more badly behaved children in cafes than dogs. Also parents just letting their kid run riot whilst they scroll on their phone

So have I and it's annoying to be sure. Some parents need to have lessons in parenting.

But that's not what this is about. It's about dogs causing discomfort and disruption in cafes. I'd rather have the kids than the dogs. The kids, whilst being unruly and annoying, won't approach me or slaver on me or growl at me, or give me need to have to step over them. No child, in any cafe I've ever been in, has dripped saliva whilst staring at me, or shaken themselves sending clouds of fur and dander into the air. Any dog near me generally emits a nasty smell which is unpleasant around food. Dog owners will deny that their dogs smell, I know, but they really do. Claiming a comparison between dogs and children is utterly ridiculous and the last resort of dog owners who know that they're down to their last, failing, argument. There are, however, dog owners who genuinely feel that their dogs are just as important as any human child and that's what we're seeing here.

I have actually confronted (or supported a waitress who was confronting) a customer whose child was wandering round a fish and chip restaurant and ended up in the kitchen with the frying pans etc all around. Waitress was very young and they were giving her a hard time about her asking them to keep the child, about 3 years old, sitting. I and my husband stood up and said like how dangerous it was etc. It all settled down in the end.

I've also been in a situation sitting outside a pub when a young man was having a pint and letting his two pit bulls wander around. Nobody wanted to confront him. Certainly not me. Who knows what a dog, any dog, is going to do if you look like you're at odds with their owner? Most dogs are harmless. Some are not.
There are millions of dog attacks annually. Wetherspoons briefly allowed dogs into their pubs early 20s and immediately suffered dozens of dog bites to their staff so had to wind that back. There are tens of millions of dog bites reported annually.
Just imagine how many go unreported, especially within families.
A blanket ban on dogs in pubs and cafes would at least halve those figures.

Outside a pub, in the garden, fine. Although I have witnessed a right massive old dog fight outside a pub in Cornwall with 2 families who had 3 dogs each.
Blood was spilt and injuries requiring an emergency vet and the entire occupants of the garden running inside for cover.

You don't get that with rowdy kids, do you? They're just bloody annoying.
Not a single undisciplined toddler has been responsible for the mauling and death of a grandparent or sibling, or inflicted an infected bite on an innocent passer by.

I don't hate dogs. I like some dogs. As a child, we had a dog or two.
I loved my dogs and they appeared to love me, and I gave them great affection
and they reciprocated. I had many late night conversations with my lovely doggie when I'd had a bad day. I did not, however, make my dog the be all and end all of my existence. She was a dog.

But Bloody Hell! What the feck has happened!? Nobody in the 80s would have dreamt of taking a dog into a cafe. It's a dog ffs. Not a people.

My brother used to be a keen hiker, took the dog with him, and he was welcomed into all the country pubs obviously. That's where you saw dogs and that was where you saw 'most' dogs in pubs. But trotting into John Lewis to 'try a coat on'. Well that's where the dog people have lost me. It's just bloody ludicrous. I can't even. . . .

Talkingtomyhouseplants · 16/03/2026 20:56

BunnyFrock · 16/03/2026 20:51

I have seen far more badly behaved children in cafes than dogs. Also parents just letting their kid run riot whilst they scroll on their phone

So have I and it's annoying to be sure. Some parents need to have lessons in parenting.

But that's not what this is about. It's about dogs causing discomfort and disruption in cafes. I'd rather have the kids than the dogs. The kids, whilst being unruly and annoying, won't approach me or slaver on me or growl at me, or give me need to have to step over them. No child, in any cafe I've ever been in, has dripped saliva whilst staring at me, or shaken themselves sending clouds of fur and dander into the air. Any dog near me generally emits a nasty smell which is unpleasant around food. Dog owners will deny that their dogs smell, I know, but they really do. Claiming a comparison between dogs and children is utterly ridiculous and the last resort of dog owners who know that they're down to their last, failing, argument. There are, however, dog owners who genuinely feel that their dogs are just as important as any human child and that's what we're seeing here.

I have actually confronted (or supported a waitress who was confronting) a customer whose child was wandering round a fish and chip restaurant and ended up in the kitchen with the frying pans etc all around. Waitress was very young and they were giving her a hard time about her asking them to keep the child, about 3 years old, sitting. I and my husband stood up and said like how dangerous it was etc. It all settled down in the end.

I've also been in a situation sitting outside a pub when a young man was having a pint and letting his two pit bulls wander around. Nobody wanted to confront him. Certainly not me. Who knows what a dog, any dog, is going to do if you look like you're at odds with their owner? Most dogs are harmless. Some are not.
There are millions of dog attacks annually. Wetherspoons briefly allowed dogs into their pubs early 20s and immediately suffered dozens of dog bites to their staff so had to wind that back. There are tens of millions of dog bites reported annually.
Just imagine how many go unreported, especially within families.
A blanket ban on dogs in pubs and cafes would at least halve those figures.

Outside a pub, in the garden, fine. Although I have witnessed a right massive old dog fight outside a pub in Cornwall with 2 families who had 3 dogs each.
Blood was spilt and injuries requiring an emergency vet and the entire occupants of the garden running inside for cover.

You don't get that with rowdy kids, do you? They're just bloody annoying.
Not a single undisciplined toddler has been responsible for the mauling and death of a grandparent or sibling, or inflicted an infected bite on an innocent passer by.

I don't hate dogs. I like some dogs. As a child, we had a dog or two.
I loved my dogs and they appeared to love me, and I gave them great affection
and they reciprocated. I had many late night conversations with my lovely doggie when I'd had a bad day. I did not, however, make my dog the be all and end all of my existence. She was a dog.

But Bloody Hell! What the feck has happened!? Nobody in the 80s would have dreamt of taking a dog into a cafe. It's a dog ffs. Not a people.

My brother used to be a keen hiker, took the dog with him, and he was welcomed into all the country pubs obviously. That's where you saw dogs and that was where you saw 'most' dogs in pubs. But trotting into John Lewis to 'try a coat on'. Well that's where the dog people have lost me. It's just bloody ludicrous. I can't even. . . .

Excellent post - the world has gone bonkers 👏🏻👏🏻

RobinInTheCrabApple · 16/03/2026 21:21

BunnyFrock · 16/03/2026 20:51

I have seen far more badly behaved children in cafes than dogs. Also parents just letting their kid run riot whilst they scroll on their phone

So have I and it's annoying to be sure. Some parents need to have lessons in parenting.

But that's not what this is about. It's about dogs causing discomfort and disruption in cafes. I'd rather have the kids than the dogs. The kids, whilst being unruly and annoying, won't approach me or slaver on me or growl at me, or give me need to have to step over them. No child, in any cafe I've ever been in, has dripped saliva whilst staring at me, or shaken themselves sending clouds of fur and dander into the air. Any dog near me generally emits a nasty smell which is unpleasant around food. Dog owners will deny that their dogs smell, I know, but they really do. Claiming a comparison between dogs and children is utterly ridiculous and the last resort of dog owners who know that they're down to their last, failing, argument. There are, however, dog owners who genuinely feel that their dogs are just as important as any human child and that's what we're seeing here.

I have actually confronted (or supported a waitress who was confronting) a customer whose child was wandering round a fish and chip restaurant and ended up in the kitchen with the frying pans etc all around. Waitress was very young and they were giving her a hard time about her asking them to keep the child, about 3 years old, sitting. I and my husband stood up and said like how dangerous it was etc. It all settled down in the end.

I've also been in a situation sitting outside a pub when a young man was having a pint and letting his two pit bulls wander around. Nobody wanted to confront him. Certainly not me. Who knows what a dog, any dog, is going to do if you look like you're at odds with their owner? Most dogs are harmless. Some are not.
There are millions of dog attacks annually. Wetherspoons briefly allowed dogs into their pubs early 20s and immediately suffered dozens of dog bites to their staff so had to wind that back. There are tens of millions of dog bites reported annually.
Just imagine how many go unreported, especially within families.
A blanket ban on dogs in pubs and cafes would at least halve those figures.

Outside a pub, in the garden, fine. Although I have witnessed a right massive old dog fight outside a pub in Cornwall with 2 families who had 3 dogs each.
Blood was spilt and injuries requiring an emergency vet and the entire occupants of the garden running inside for cover.

You don't get that with rowdy kids, do you? They're just bloody annoying.
Not a single undisciplined toddler has been responsible for the mauling and death of a grandparent or sibling, or inflicted an infected bite on an innocent passer by.

I don't hate dogs. I like some dogs. As a child, we had a dog or two.
I loved my dogs and they appeared to love me, and I gave them great affection
and they reciprocated. I had many late night conversations with my lovely doggie when I'd had a bad day. I did not, however, make my dog the be all and end all of my existence. She was a dog.

But Bloody Hell! What the feck has happened!? Nobody in the 80s would have dreamt of taking a dog into a cafe. It's a dog ffs. Not a people.

My brother used to be a keen hiker, took the dog with him, and he was welcomed into all the country pubs obviously. That's where you saw dogs and that was where you saw 'most' dogs in pubs. But trotting into John Lewis to 'try a coat on'. Well that's where the dog people have lost me. It's just bloody ludicrous. I can't even. . . .

You can remove yourself from all this angst by going to places where dogs are not allowed. See earlier lists as a starting point.

BunnyFrock · 16/03/2026 21:29

Blanket ban. It'll happen. probably not in my lifetime because the cogs turn slowly. But the government and NHS are investigating the massive upturn of dog bites on children, which have skyrocketed recently. Dog bites and dog attacks have increased in this country by a third in the past five years. And that's only the ones who end up in hospital. Imagine how many more are kept quiet by families who don't report because the injury is minimal and they don't want their mutt to suffer any consequences. Because they're 'family'

This acceleration of reported dog bites and attacks is occurring at the same time as they're allowing dogs fucking everywhere. Go fucking figure.

RobinInTheCrabApple · 16/03/2026 21:34

Worse than dogs being around food places are the number of dogs you see in pool halls.

Fur on the table, dogs smoking at the table. Fur babies in 'waistcoats'.
Once, in Cornwall I saw two Shih tzus on the table chasing the balls. You don't get that with rowdy kids!0

Don't get me wrong. As a child we had a dog. Or two. I'm not sure how many but one or two. Maybe three. I had many late night pool games with my lovely doggie when I'd had a bad day. I did not, however, make my dog the be all and end all of my pool career. She was a dog.

Nobody in the 80s would have dreamt of taking a dog into a pool hall. It's a dog ffs. Not a people.

Remember that people. A dog. Not a people.

Really don't like dogs being in virtually every cafe now
RobinInTheCrabApple · 16/03/2026 21:46

@BunnyFrock . Do you think the problems you have with dogs are worsened by your dressing as a rabbit? I myself dress as a robin in a crab apple tree and am never bothered by dogs. Don't get me started on cats though. Fucking everywhere. Go fucking figure.

Do you get particular problems with greyhounds? If so, then Walthamstow might be a good place for you to go on a day out. They closed the stadium in 2008.

Harhar · 16/03/2026 21:48

RobinInTheCrabApple · 16/03/2026 21:34

Worse than dogs being around food places are the number of dogs you see in pool halls.

Fur on the table, dogs smoking at the table. Fur babies in 'waistcoats'.
Once, in Cornwall I saw two Shih tzus on the table chasing the balls. You don't get that with rowdy kids!0

Don't get me wrong. As a child we had a dog. Or two. I'm not sure how many but one or two. Maybe three. I had many late night pool games with my lovely doggie when I'd had a bad day. I did not, however, make my dog the be all and end all of my pool career. She was a dog.

Nobody in the 80s would have dreamt of taking a dog into a pool hall. It's a dog ffs. Not a people.

Remember that people. A dog. Not a people.

It’s all those cockerpools! Running riot around the place.

Idontcareboutthestateofmyhair · 16/03/2026 21:57

As a dog lover and owner, i understand. We wouldn't intentionally take our dog out to a food place but if we're out a walk or in a other town for the day it is nice to be able to stop for some food. We would generally go to a pub though with space, or ideally a beer garden. i don't fancy taking her into a tiny cafe where tables are close together, its not fair on other customers or the dogs. In this day and age, we would never leave her outside (too many dog thieves) so if we cant find anywhere suitable we would go home. If i had to pop into a shop that's dog friendly i would always carry her, (unless its a pet shop) that's the advantages of having a small dog though.

BunnyFrock · 16/03/2026 22:27

You can remove yourself from all this angst by going to places where dogs are not allowed. See earlier lists as a starting point

There aren't many places now that dogs are not allowed. That's what I'm bemoaning. I know perfectly well how to avoid them thank you for your invaluable advice. I'm predicting a big U turn about dogs being allowed virtually everywhere. It's not going to last. Once the lockdown dogs have died nobody will want the responsibility of another one. The lockdown doggies have now become an absolute nuisance to their owners I just KNOW this is true because I know a lot of their owners. Not all of them throughout the UK obviously but am assuming this is reflected countrywide.

People who got dogs and now wish they hadn't Really REALLY wish they hadn't.
is huge.

Whatever. I'll still have to put up with owners having their dog on a long lead and tripping me up on the narrow streets of St Ives where I live.

Owner on one side. Dog on the other. Lead stretched across the narrow streeet.

Obvs I'm used to it. I can't just hop over it like I did when I was 20, but I can stand back until they've passed. I can't remove myself from that. It's every day in every way that I have to consider DOGS free passage down the main street.

I can't remove myself from that. Dogs are becoming a huge problem in this area.
So much so that holiday lets and hotels have been in major discussions about banning dogs outright. Some will, and some won't. Dogs are shitting up the beaches and making it really unpleasant for visitors.

So. Cornwall CC is discussing banning holidaymakers who want to bring a dog.
I hope they bloody do. Personally, I think they'd gain more people visiting than they'd lose. But we'll have to wait and see.

BunnyFrock · 16/03/2026 22:36

Remember that people. A dog. Not a people

Some dog owners will struggle with that.

Sladuf1 · 17/03/2026 00:03

BunnyFrock · 16/03/2026 21:29

Blanket ban. It'll happen. probably not in my lifetime because the cogs turn slowly. But the government and NHS are investigating the massive upturn of dog bites on children, which have skyrocketed recently. Dog bites and dog attacks have increased in this country by a third in the past five years. And that's only the ones who end up in hospital. Imagine how many more are kept quiet by families who don't report because the injury is minimal and they don't want their mutt to suffer any consequences. Because they're 'family'

This acceleration of reported dog bites and attacks is occurring at the same time as they're allowing dogs fucking everywhere. Go fucking figure.

I agree with you completely. The other scenario I can envisage happening is there will be a record insurance payout for a victim injured by a dog inside a public place and it results in prohibitive public liability premiums for premises that dogs are allowed in. As a result more places won’t allow them in.

One of our family friends, who was 62 at the time, was attacked by a dog while just sat down having a quiet drink with her husband in a bar in 2022. She had to have stitches and it managed to bite her on the lip! Didn’t even interact with the dog. It just attacked her for no reason. This was in one of those bars that’s the size of someone’s front room. The scummy dog owner fled before the police arrived.

The costs to the NHS when people have to seek medical help after dog attacks aren’t sustainable. In the last year I’ve also seen at least 2 reports highlighting the rise of dog attacks on service dogs. Can’t say that’s been a feature in my lifetime before. Some of those will undoubtedly have been in places where in the past the only dog present would have been the service dog. The costs involved when that’s occurred (and I don’t just mean financial) aren’t sustainable either. As you mentioned not every attack is reported.

2 media reports here:

  1. Regarding Northumbria police force’s area showing the number of dog attacks on people and service dogs almost doubled in six years between 2018 and 2024: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c9qww8e3042o
  2. Sky News video from December 2025 highlighting rise in attacks on service dogs.It’s just over 2 minutes long and there’s an example of a service dog that was attacked being out of action for 9 months as a result discussed. https://www.youtube.com/shorts/7WzSt5arKOY
Daisy the dog. Brown cockapoo which looks like a spaniel. She is looking at the camera and has brown eyes.

Dog attacks reported by Northumbria Police almost double

Northumbria Police sees a rise in dog attacks causing injury to a person or assistance dog.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c9qww8e3042o

eastegg · 17/03/2026 00:08

BunnyFrock · 16/03/2026 20:51

I have seen far more badly behaved children in cafes than dogs. Also parents just letting their kid run riot whilst they scroll on their phone

So have I and it's annoying to be sure. Some parents need to have lessons in parenting.

But that's not what this is about. It's about dogs causing discomfort and disruption in cafes. I'd rather have the kids than the dogs. The kids, whilst being unruly and annoying, won't approach me or slaver on me or growl at me, or give me need to have to step over them. No child, in any cafe I've ever been in, has dripped saliva whilst staring at me, or shaken themselves sending clouds of fur and dander into the air. Any dog near me generally emits a nasty smell which is unpleasant around food. Dog owners will deny that their dogs smell, I know, but they really do. Claiming a comparison between dogs and children is utterly ridiculous and the last resort of dog owners who know that they're down to their last, failing, argument. There are, however, dog owners who genuinely feel that their dogs are just as important as any human child and that's what we're seeing here.

I have actually confronted (or supported a waitress who was confronting) a customer whose child was wandering round a fish and chip restaurant and ended up in the kitchen with the frying pans etc all around. Waitress was very young and they were giving her a hard time about her asking them to keep the child, about 3 years old, sitting. I and my husband stood up and said like how dangerous it was etc. It all settled down in the end.

I've also been in a situation sitting outside a pub when a young man was having a pint and letting his two pit bulls wander around. Nobody wanted to confront him. Certainly not me. Who knows what a dog, any dog, is going to do if you look like you're at odds with their owner? Most dogs are harmless. Some are not.
There are millions of dog attacks annually. Wetherspoons briefly allowed dogs into their pubs early 20s and immediately suffered dozens of dog bites to their staff so had to wind that back. There are tens of millions of dog bites reported annually.
Just imagine how many go unreported, especially within families.
A blanket ban on dogs in pubs and cafes would at least halve those figures.

Outside a pub, in the garden, fine. Although I have witnessed a right massive old dog fight outside a pub in Cornwall with 2 families who had 3 dogs each.
Blood was spilt and injuries requiring an emergency vet and the entire occupants of the garden running inside for cover.

You don't get that with rowdy kids, do you? They're just bloody annoying.
Not a single undisciplined toddler has been responsible for the mauling and death of a grandparent or sibling, or inflicted an infected bite on an innocent passer by.

I don't hate dogs. I like some dogs. As a child, we had a dog or two.
I loved my dogs and they appeared to love me, and I gave them great affection
and they reciprocated. I had many late night conversations with my lovely doggie when I'd had a bad day. I did not, however, make my dog the be all and end all of my existence. She was a dog.

But Bloody Hell! What the feck has happened!? Nobody in the 80s would have dreamt of taking a dog into a cafe. It's a dog ffs. Not a people.

My brother used to be a keen hiker, took the dog with him, and he was welcomed into all the country pubs obviously. That's where you saw dogs and that was where you saw 'most' dogs in pubs. But trotting into John Lewis to 'try a coat on'. Well that's where the dog people have lost me. It's just bloody ludicrous. I can't even. . . .

This post nails it. Every bloody word.

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