To absolutely loathe the increase in smear campaigns against businesses because of the halal meat debate?

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Well it’s not really a debate, is it? You either don’t care, or you’re absolutely seething because your meat may or may not be halal. But irrespectively of what you think about this, AIBU to think that people ‘outing’ businesses on social media about what meat they use and encouraging hundreds of people to smear them not just in posts but reviews to tank their ratings is just crazy?

Hundreds of people commenting ‘I’ve just left them a bad review on google’ because a (British owned baked potato) business extended their trading hours to their Muslim customers? People who have never bought anything from them in their life, probably geographically will never go there. Actively trying to sabotage a business because you think you’re what - some sort of activist?

And don’t get me started on the posts where people reach out to these poor customer service reps in supermarkets to ask them if the meat they sell is halal because of this mad narrative that ‘80% of supermarket meat is halal’ - where has this nonsense come from?!?! 😂 People screenshotting and commenting about how ‘Clare from Lidl’ is avoiding the question when she probably doesn’t have a scooby and the answer probably isn’t a straight yes or no either!

Madness. Utter madness. People treating this like it’s a full time job.

Are people allowed to object to battery hens if they eat free-range (but not organic or vegan?).

Of course anyone can pick or choose what they eat.

To most of us here, a halal cow is no different to a non-halal cow, but we don’t take peoples choice away.

Where did I say I don't give a shit about it throughout its whole life?
And how is it double standards? The fact that the animals due for halal slaughter usually come from the same farms as regular animals due for more humane slaughter makes that point of yours point invalid 😂
Still the lesser of 2 evils.

You said you ate dairy knowing it was cruel in the pp.

Apply that logic to people who choose to avoid halal for both reasons. You haven’t gone vegan presumably because you like dairy. Everyone isn’t going to avoid all meat because they want to eat it, but will choose the type.

Of course animals die but quickly is better and I don’t subscribe to the ritual below.

just because one or a few people on this thread think it’s not about animal welfare
is meaningless.
There’s a whole world of opinion out there and everyones reasons are valid whether you believe that or not.

There’s a whole majority of opinion including the RSPCA and animal charities that site
welfare
as the concern

Not bloody religion

and the majority on here also have welfare concerns

Agree

lets treat everyone equally and so tell everyone nothing 😳
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that’s how some people in this country are currently being treated and an excellent point

Yes exactly. You even get posts on dc being blissfully unaware for halal alone. Presumably they wouldn’t want the same approach for meat to vegetarians or a type of meat to religious people who don’t eat it.

When has blissfully unaware been something to push

I do eat dairy, and as such, I fully recognise that I'm not in a position to lecture anyone on animal welfare. Because I'm guilty of consuming products that are not supportive of animal welfare at all.

I became vegetarian nearly 40 years ago because I stayed on a farm and witnessed the reality of meat production. At the time, the decision was made for ethical reasons, but knowing what I know now, I recognise that it isn't really an ethically defensible position at all. So I don't pretend that it is one. I'm vegetarian out of habit, primarily, and because the idea of meat no longer appeals to me.

I'm not dictating what choices other people make about what they eat. I'm not judging anyone for eating any kind of meat because I don't consider that I'm in a morally superior position to be able to do so. My own decision to carry on eating dairy would make it deeply hypocritical for me to criticise people for eating meat.

I'm merely asking people not to pretend that they care about animal welfare if their care only extends to this one issue while ignoring the many other types of animal cruelty involved in the meat and dairy industries.

Because people can separate out the practises. I can look at how an animal is treated when alive or when killed and choose which is best.

The process for halal below doesn’t meet that on two counts. How it’s killed and the ritual around it.

I might spend more on some meat having read what they do to get it to the table, knowing it died yes. But also that it was a better life and quick death, it’s about as good as it gets without avoiding meat altogether.

The RSPCA also expresses concern about all intensively farmed meat, so do you think that should be off the menu in schools as well.

Your last paragraph is based on your assumption that posters don’t care about other forms of animal cruelty in the meat industry

I don’t see an overwhelming majority of people confirming that statement here

and as such there is absolutely no reason to make that assumption at all.

Like you I wouldn’t object to all meals being vegan
but I respect choice

as long as everyone knows exactly what they are choosing

If people are eating mass produced meat, then it is self evident that they don't particularly care about other forms of a animal cruelty in the meat industry - if they did, they would not eat mass produced meat and there would be no danger of them eating halal meat without knowing about it, because they would either have stopped eating meat altogether or they would at the very least ensure that they knew about the provenance of their meat, how it was raised, how it was killed etc.

As I've said, I also think people should be about to make informed choices, and I support comprehensive labelling in order to facilitate this.

My issue is not with people making their own choices. My issue is with people who are claiming to care about animal welfare in order to further a particular agenda that actually has nothing to do with animals, but only applying that concern with regard to halal meat and not all other types of meat/dairy etc.

How do you know what posters are eating.
The vast majority here haven't said

Here you seem to be saying choosing meat carefully means avoiding halal too.

It is not a good a standard as other welfare for meat, another agreement.

Of course I don't know, that isn't what I said.

What I said was that the people who do care about animal welfare are not in any danger of accidentally eating halal meat against their will, because they will have done their own due diligence on the provenance of the meat before eating it anyway.

Assumptions again
you have no idea why people object to halal and kosher meat

Statistics clearly show it is for welfare reasons
I assume you’ve read the stats although as you are claiming the contrary maybe not

Might be worth a google search

Which is impossible isn’t it because as you’ve seen on this thread food isn’t labelled

That’s the point !

It’s also worth noting that whilst some people continue to shame others for even asking the question ( or expressing their views)
they won’t.

That isn't what I'm saying. I am not making any judgements on that. I'm sure that there are different standards of welfare in halal meat production as in any other.

What I'm saying is that choosing meat carefully means having a clear understanding of how the animal has been raised and killed. You can make your own judgements about what you're willing to accept and what you're not, but if you care enough to do your own due diligence, then there will be zero risk of eating something that doesn't comply with your own ethical standards. Hence my suggestion for clear labelling around welfare standards and slaughter methods on all meat, and not just halal/kosher etc.

Why the subterfuge, label it as halal and people can see quickly whether to avoid.

And yes you’ve said you want labelling so what’s there to disagree on? No one is bigoted, or disingenuous or whatever else is accused of them. They just want a quick easy way to know what a product is.

It isn't impossible though. Some people choose to avoid eating meat altogether if they are uncertain of its provenance.

And yes, I support better labelling so that people can make informed choices more easily, but in the absence of that, people are still making choices about what they eat.

Exactly

going round and round in circles here.

I've explained my point repeatedly, but you have just created strawmen and declined to engage with it.

Yes, we agree on labelling. It's getting quite tiresome to go around in circles about the rest.

I agree, because you are all studiously refusing to engage with my point.

Because your point isn’t based in fact