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Fleurflowering · 03/03/2026 22:14

I know that people will accuse me of being goady etc, but I would like to ask these questions without a tirade of hate being posted at me. I'm genuinely ignorant about this and want to understand it better.

I was born in 1978. When I was at school, there was a flicker of a mention of autism, but it didn't seem to be commonplace.

Did children have autism? Did ADHD exist then? Or are these new problems and why have they arisen?

Every school class seems to have children with SEND - autism being very common. But, when I was at school, there were "Remedial" classes, but behaviour was nowhere near as bad as it seems to be nowadays and teachers didn't need to differentiate lessons like they have to now. I hear so many people saying that their kids are on the spectrum, or that they themselves have autism.

I also don't remember any school refusers. Is this a new mental health symptom, or are children more autonomous and possibly less resilient nowadays?

I know I'll be flamed, but I'm not denying these conditions exist. I'm trying to learn whether they are new or not.

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ForeverDelayedEpiphany · 04/03/2026 00:23

YankSplaining · 04/03/2026 00:14

My mom, born 1950, didn’t get diagnosed with ADHD until she was 59. Decades ago, lots of women with ADHD were dismissed as ditzy scatterbrains, and the ones who weren’t were working many times harder than everyone else to reach the same level of success. My mom was a SAHM with an only child, so you’d think day-to-day life wouldn’t be that challenging, but she was always losing things and leaving chores half-finished around the house. Sometimes out of nowhere, she’d gasp and say, “I was supposed to go to my doctor’s appointment/lunch with Mary/that parent volunteer meeting today! Oh my God - “ And then she’d start phoning people to apologize and reschedule.

I got diagnosed with ADHD when I was 22. My kids got diagnosed when they were 8 and 6. Their childhoods are totally different from mine because the adults around them know about their needs, and they aren’t growing up feeling inadequate.

Oh this is me, absolutely similar to your mum. I am very certain I have undiagnosed ADHD and am constantly losing things and forgetting about appointments or general life admin. It does become pretty wearing and very frustrating for my poor DH and children 😂😳

Twooclockrock · 04/03/2026 00:34

For school refusers.. you could just leave at 14. My parents both did.
For autism.. it was barely recognised except in extreme cases where they were put in institutions. For the less extreme, they would have been the weird kids, the ones with hardly any friends who did train spotting
Adhd.. these were the naughty kids kept in line with fear of the cane or slipper and eventually expelled.
Even right into the 80s, parents would smack their children, and if you were naughty at school you might come home and get a smack. So i guess fear kept a lot of kids in line too.
There was less or no psychology applied to schools, it was do or be punished. Now its child centred and there are not really any punishments apart from a detention and eventually being expelled. Which is obviously good but also makes it much harder to keep 32 kids in line.

Gluedtogether · 04/03/2026 00:34

Redbushteaforme · 04/03/2026 00:21

My DD has autistic traits. In addition to the factors mentioned above, I wonder if modern teaching styles and standards of behaviour in schools may also be an issue. My experience (limited, I know) is that my DD struggled to cope with group work, noise and poor behaviour (generally, not just from ND children) in her classes, whereas I suspect that the environment when I was at school, where group work was pretty unknown, classrooms were generally quiet and there was generally pretty strict discipline and routine, would have suited her particular needs better.

I also wonder if the physical fabric of modern schools, with lots of hard and noisy surfaces and bright lights, might be making it harder for ND children to cope.

I absolutely agree with this.

Monty27 · 04/03/2026 00:37

Way back people were put into mental health institutions as insane or prison, if they didn't ascribe to the "norm" way back before spectrum psychological studies began giving tags for behaviour.
Then again we're living in a completely different era now and there's so many more studies I'd say everyone is on a spectrum at some level.
Analyse that @Fleurflowering?
And of course people are unclear about real life because they're stuck on screens.

Enigma54 · 04/03/2026 00:48

LollipopLil · 03/03/2026 22:23

It existed but wasn't recognised.

My 58 year old brother has autism and he was always kept in at break time for 'daydreaming' in class.

Ditto! My brother was treated exactly the same.

Beenalongtime · 04/03/2026 01:06

I'm 62 and would now be called a school refuser. I suffered from terrible panic attacks and would leave lessons 'feeling ill' and sometimes be so shaken that I couldn't get into school for a day or so. It was a horrible time and I sometimes wonder how it might have been dealt with, and what difference that would have made to me. I did my O and A Levels, went to university but missed too many lectures (even got there but backed out at the door several times) and was told to go at the end of the first year. I wonder if I might have made it through with a bit more pastoral care, l'll never know and it doesn't matter, I had a decent career regardless. Just because it wasn't noticed or named doesn't mean it didn't happen.

dizzydizzydizzy · 04/03/2026 01:14

LiviaDrusillaAugusta · 03/03/2026 22:21

I’m mid 50s and was diagnosed with autism 5 years ago (and ADHD a year ago). Looking back it was obvious and several of my classmates clearly had it.

I spent 50 years of my life with hardly any friends (including at school) so yes it was a thing but no, it wasn’t recognised or tested then.

Exactly this.

I’m around about 10 years older than OP and I have autism and ADHD. The stress of masking for over 50 yews has had a huge toll. I am now too unwell to work.

Neuodivergence runs in families. DC2 is diagnosed. DM and her dad almost certainly have/had ADHD and autism.

birdseatworms · 04/03/2026 01:26

Easterbunnygettingawrapping · 03/03/2026 22:25

Looking back I can assume which of my school mates had asd or adhd knowing what I know now. How the teachers treated them was utterly appalling remembering back. I am NT and even I remember crying at how much the maths teacher shouted... And it wasn't even at me!

There was a boy in my class when I was 8 or 9 who the teacher shouted at all the time. I was best friends with his cousin and she told me he "wasn't normal". The next day at leaving time I stayed behind to tell my teacher that I found out "Danny" isn't normal so not to yell at him anymore. She smacked my bottom and told me wetting my pants wasn't normal either (I've had bladder issues my whole life). I agree, I wasn't "normal" in that respect but I didn't get shouted at for it. Poor Danny was constantly being shouted at and I felt so bad for him.

AnotherHormonalWoman · 04/03/2026 01:29

When I was at school, there were "Remedial" classes, but behaviour was nowhere near as bad as it seems to be nowadays and teachers didn't need to differentiate lessons like they have to now.

Up until the 1950s, the theory of teaching and learning was fairly constant. In the last 75 years educational theory and ed psych have really started to be studied, and new and different theories been formed. The idea of differentiating lessons for different learning styles or needs only really started catching on in the 90s.

I also don't remember any school refusers. Is this a new mental health symptom, or are children more autonomous and possibly less resilient nowadays?

I suspect that this is true. Childrearing styles have come and gone in and out of fashion, and discipline and conformity were prioritised more in yours and my childhoods.

I do think that the current fashion for gentle parenting is a good thing in general, but it does seem to produce children who have much less resilience. The pandemic had such a huge effect, although the lack of resilience was in evidence well before then. I suspect that academisation, and the ways in which academies run things, also has an effect.

When I look back at my peers at school, I can list a number of people who I now believe were autistic or had ADHD (including me!). VERY few of us had a diagnosis at the time, it just wasn't that common. We were labelled fidget-bums, gifted, tlazy, disorganised, or that awkward kid who got bullied, etc.

83048274j · 04/03/2026 01:39

Autism etc has always existed, documented going back thousands of years, just not called that. In the 70s, they were the 'naughty kids' or the 'slow kids'. Even dyslexia wasn't well recognised then. If they had severe enough symptoms, they might be in a special school unit for kids with disabilities.

Earlier than that, there's a good chance that more affected children were shut away in children's homes for those with disabilities. Hidden from society.

Those who could might leave school early and go into more manual jobs if they had a learning disability, or they might find a job that suited their traits. It was acceptable to leave school much younger then.

Those who couldn't cope might be in mental hospitals (as we called them then as children).

It's just more recognised now and a lot of older people are being diagnosed in the wake of a child or grandchild being recognised as autistic.

Yes, there were less behaviour problems. Even kids prone to dysregulation can be conditioned to become quiet and 'behave' when faced with the cane, strap, ruler, or other corporal punishment. That's not a good thing, just a fear response in action. I'm glad we've moved on from that.

nolongersurprised · 04/03/2026 01:57

cricketnut77 · 03/03/2026 22:26

There's way more people with adhd and autism now. Way more even than 10 years ago. Not sure what's causing it but very young children access to screens on tablets and phones is not helping

There’s an interesting study published in JAMA a few years ago where the data from 84 000 mother/child dyads were analysed. For boys, screen time usage of (I think, I read it ages ago) 2 hours or more at one year of age was positively correlated with an ASD diagnosis at 3 years.

Obvs correlation doesn’t equal causation but it’s interesting.

jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapediatrics/fullarticle/2788488

HildegardP · 04/03/2026 01:59

You're confusing diagnosis with prevalence.
Large numbers of kids with ASD were still institutionalised one way or another when you were growing up. The others? Well, bullying was very definitely a thing back then so the ASD kids who were in your school probably got dfferent labels, like, say, "weirdo".

LBFseBrom · 04/03/2026 02:02

Fleurflowering, we hear and know more about these things now, that's all.

I am 76 so was at school in the 1950s and 60s. I knew a couple of girlls who were on the autistic spectrum (Asperger's); both had a very hard time, people thought they were 'strange'.

There were a few with special educational needs (known as SEN then), needed extra help, didn't always get it and were often in all sorts of trouble. They were considered 'thick'. There wer special schools for SEN children , most of which were awful.

Two I knew who were severely dyslexic, they did have help and it paid off. Both were very bright.

One had Tourette's syndrome, would bark like a dog, sometimes she went under the table to do that. She had the mick taken out of her all the time. When she left school the headmistress said she could probably get a job as a guard dog.

83048274j · 04/03/2026 02:02

nolongersurprised · 04/03/2026 01:57

There’s an interesting study published in JAMA a few years ago where the data from 84 000 mother/child dyads were analysed. For boys, screen time usage of (I think, I read it ages ago) 2 hours or more at one year of age was positively correlated with an ASD diagnosis at 3 years.

Obvs correlation doesn’t equal causation but it’s interesting.

jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapediatrics/fullarticle/2788488

Or there's autism, and then toddlers exposed to too much screen time separately show symptoms that happen to align with autism? In that case it's more likely due to factors like being less nurtured rather than a genetic thing such as autism.

nolongersurprised · 04/03/2026 02:09

83048274j · 04/03/2026 02:02

Or there's autism, and then toddlers exposed to too much screen time separately show symptoms that happen to align with autism? In that case it's more likely due to factors like being less nurtured rather than a genetic thing such as autism.

Maybe, but it all ends up as the same diagnosis, doesn’t it? So maybe too early and too much screen exposure has contributed to increased diagnosis rates.

MyTrivia · 04/03/2026 02:11

I was an 80s child, I was diagnosed with autism in my 30s.

When I look back at my childhood, I was absolutely a school refuser. A situation that worsened with time until my parents moved me to a small all-girls school when I was about 12. Until then, my life had been hell with constant bullying and teachers misunderstanding me.

I think back to my childhood and can see many examples of undiagnosed autistic people, including myself. These people now also have autistic kids as well as myself.

We were all round pegs in square holes. Some of us fared better than others. But either way, we were damaged and have had to spend time processing that.

For myself, it’s a priority to make sure it doesn’t happen to my own kids.

MyTrivia · 04/03/2026 02:14

Autism has nothing whatsoever to do with ‘screen time’.

It’s a genetic neurotype. Easier to blame parents though, with this unscientific bullshit, eh?

Autism runs right through my family. My dad is almost certainly undiagnosed autistic. Something he now accepts in his late 70s. He and I recently discussed how sick we both felt about going to school as small children.

nolongersurprised · 04/03/2026 02:21

MyTrivia · 04/03/2026 02:14

Autism has nothing whatsoever to do with ‘screen time’.

It’s a genetic neurotype. Easier to blame parents though, with this unscientific bullshit, eh?

Autism runs right through my family. My dad is almost certainly undiagnosed autistic. Something he now accepts in his late 70s. He and I recently discussed how sick we both felt about going to school as small children.

Edited

Yet the researchers behind a study of 84 000 children have shown a correlation between very young children and time on screens and later ASD diagnoses,

You can dismiss it all you like and there are multiple confounders but it’s still relevant to the discussion.

No one is saying that all ASD presentations are secondary to screens.

MyTrivia · 04/03/2026 02:23

nolongersurprised · 04/03/2026 02:21

Yet the researchers behind a study of 84 000 children have shown a correlation between very young children and time on screens and later ASD diagnoses,

You can dismiss it all you like and there are multiple confounders but it’s still relevant to the discussion.

No one is saying that all ASD presentations are secondary to screens.

Autistic children need screen time - they learn from it. This is something that is accepted now by the autism community.

So it’s likely that autistic children will gravitate towards it because they use it to understand the world around them.

But saying that screen time will turn a NT brain into an autistic brain is utter rubbish.

stopthemud · 04/03/2026 02:26

I am 5 years in age and 5 years in Dx behind you. How did your friendship situation change? I have been officially recently Dx with inattentive ADHD awaiting Austism. I have no friends, well one who lives far away. I am going through a patch now where I really feel it. Other times I am completely happy by myself.

nolongersurprised · 04/03/2026 02:28

Cue 100s of responses saying, “My child has ASD and never had screens as a younger child”, or “I have ASD and it wasn’t because of screens”.

Someone upthread theorised that screens for young children might be impacting diagnosis rates, which reminded me there was a study regarding that exact issue.

The study doesn’t conclude that autism is caused by screens, but it is interesting and relevant to this discussion.

stopthemud · 04/03/2026 02:28

Sorry that was to @LiviaDrusillaAugusta

jackdunnock · 04/03/2026 02:29

As I sometimes say: everyone is on the spectrum. I just think the boundary between what was considered 'normal' and what was labelled as some kind of condition has moved significantly. Back along, autistic meant Rain Man like, nowadays it's mode widely recognised with much milder symptoms.

My uncle was almost certainly autistic, but was never diagnosed because it just wouldn't have been recognised back then. And if it had been, he'd have been bundled away to a facility. So my grandmother would never even consider that he had issues, despite it being perfectly clear that he would never be able to live independently.

More recently my friend's ds (currently teenage) has been diagnosed as autistic since about age 6. He certainly had some nd behaviours at primary age, but these days he's completely grown out of those and most of his issues appear to be behavioural than anything else. He's certainly way more sociably competent than I was as a teenager (and I don't consider myself to be nd). There's no shyness, awkwardness or lack of self confidence that many autistic people display. I genuinely doubt he'd get newly diagnosed as autistic if he were assessed today. But he has the label for life, for good or bad.

His younger sibling is awaiting diagnosis for ADHD. His issues are much more pronounced, and escalating as he approaches his teenage years. But again, I think a lot of it is diet and behaviour led - he's regularly pumped full of Coca-Cola and sugary sweets (right before meal time too, but his inability to then sit at the table and consume a proper meal is put down to adhd). They both talk to and about people in a deliberately horrible way (proven since they can also be really nice and polite when it's in their interests to do so), but they're never called out on it or disciplined for their words or actions ("it's because of his autism" or "I need to pick my battles with him").

I do think autism is very over diagnosed these days. I think a lot of parents push for a diagnosis for any kind behaviour that seems a bit off - they want something that explains why their DC is doing (or not doing) something they can't fully understand. And I think a lot of people grow right out of the childhood autistic traits in adulthood. Some people will say it's because they've learnt to mask their symptoms, which is likely true of some genuinely autistic adults. But is also overused as an explanation for people who were never really autistic in the first place.

It's also overused to excuse bad behaviour (autistic or not). At my DC's secondary school there are a lot of kids with Nd, learning difficulties and behavioural issues. The school prides itself on taking these kids (cynic in me thinks it's primarily for any extra funding that might come with it), and there are quite high poverty rates around here, so a lot of kids with behavioural issues (many of whom have been given a badge/diagnosis to explain it, rather than being put down to a lack of discipline or poor parenting). But my own dc notice day in day out that these kids get special treatment - completely let off for things that other kids would get in trouble for or if there's an issue between an Nd child and a nt child, the NT child is always the one who takes the rap for it.

We want Nd people to be fully integrated with the rest of society, but I don't think we're preparing them as children for adulthood or independent living properly. It seems all through childhood they're taught that their diagnosis is their excuse. That's not going to cut it as an adult - I expect a lot of young adult offenders had (or would have been given) a diagnosis of being nd as a child. We need to be trying to teach them better self awareness, and responsibility wherever possible.

Sorry, that got really long!

MyTrivia · 04/03/2026 02:29

nolongersurprised · 04/03/2026 02:28

Cue 100s of responses saying, “My child has ASD and never had screens as a younger child”, or “I have ASD and it wasn’t because of screens”.

Someone upthread theorised that screens for young children might be impacting diagnosis rates, which reminded me there was a study regarding that exact issue.

The study doesn’t conclude that autism is caused by screens, but it is interesting and relevant to this discussion.

You’ve just contradicted yourself.

nolongersurprised · 04/03/2026 02:31

MyTrivia · 04/03/2026 02:29

You’ve just contradicted yourself.

Why don’t you just read the study? It’s interesting

ETA : correlation isn’t causation, and the study isn’t claiming it is.

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