Lucy Letby case expert witness was under fitness to practise investigation

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Wow! Pot, kettle, black? Need a new investigation?
Lucy Letby case expert witness was under fitness to practise investigation during trial | Lucy Letby | The Guardian

It's because writing "I haven't done anything wrong" is vague and doesn't actually even relate to the crime necessarily. Writing "I killed them on purpose" is very exact. don't see anywhere on that note anything that would lead me to believe it was about what other people were saying.

I'm not a lawyer, but I don't think it would have any direct effect as things stand, no.

Does he own a leisure suit?

I think they only let you deregister if the complaints aren't extremely serious: also he was about 70 and they take into account the probability of you wanting to return to practice. They can insist on going forward if they want to.

What was the last thing he said to his pets before this came out?

I have...

Messages to exs just to let off steam.

Or even compose how I'd respond to my "imaginationships" (please don't laugh).

Never send them. They're not part of any actual social conversations. They're not actually draft messages, either.

If there was some criminal case there is no way they could be connected with social reality.

(those kisses never happened)

I also do some manifesting and journalling. I like writing as if amateur poetry. It looks dramatic but isn't "real".

Lots of random stuff written down which isn't reality but me processing intense subconscious thoughts and feelings and emotions.

Or imaginary responses.

A lot of women do a Sylvia Plath or Northanger Abbey and journal and write stuff which isn't really what happened.

Why are people always trying to make so many excuses for this evil sadistic woman who murdered and harmed the most defenceless vulnerable babies? I genuinely can't wrap my head around it.

That's a you issue, people have already told you repeatedly that they don't find the evidence convincing and the reasons that they don't.

No one is on here 'making excuses' for someone who they think murdered defenceless babies.

She was under enormous pressure and self-doubt can set in when this happens.

It's why 1 in 3 people who sign confessions are exonerated by DNA evidence after the fact.

She may have ended up believing she was responsible at one point based on being accused by everyone around her, colleagues, doctors, hospital administrators, police, mass media, etc.

Letby’s explanation for the post it notes: https://www.itv.com/news/granada/2026-02-04/lucy-letby-addresses-i-am-evil-note-in-unseen-police-interview-footage

The note doesn't say anything about what other colleagues were saying about her. People can infer that if they like but it's not a fact.

People literally have invented excuses for why she wrote it and stated it as the truth.

It's the GMC not the NHS. It's not a disciplinary hearing its a fitness to practice investigation I.e. Can we allow this dr to keep his registration. He gave up his registration therefore the GMC don't need to decide

People are offering potential explanations and they are valid.

I think some posters need to look up the words "on purpose". Here I'll help-

on purpose
/ˌɒn ˈpəːpəs/
phrase of purpose

intentionally.

I await the influx of posts about how it's totally common and normal to write that you murdered people intentionally as part of intrusive thoughts 🙄

Things don't have to be common and normal to happen when people are in unusual circumstances.

Or in any circumstances really, but in this case the unusual circumstances of being accused of killing babies, on purpose, would be very relevant.

@Oftenaddled right but her note was very similar to Victorino Chua's writings and he's also a convicted serial killer and there is no doubt in his case at all.

Indeed! Mumsnet would usually heavily be on his side with any trans issues so it'll definitely be an interesting conundrum for them if it turns out that's what the investigation was about.

Even if Chua's notes were like Letby's (I have vague recollections of his being mystical or religious mania, so rather different in fact), all that would demonstrate is that notes weren't proof of innocence. I don't think anybody was arguing that they were.

I think that those who question Lucy Letby's convictions tend not to have less black and white views of the world. They are also, very obviously when one looks across social media, not of one particular political persuasion or walk of life.

So I'm sure that any who approve Hindmarsh's views and actions on trans issues will still be able to understand that doesn't necessarily guarantee every aspect of his professional practice, and that it doesn't validate his evidence on an unrelated matter in Lucy Letby's case.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-32285355

Victorino Chua, 49, denies murdering three patients and poisoning 18 others at Stepping Hill Hospital, Greater Manchester between 2011 and 2012.
The handwritten document was found in his kitchen after his arrest in 2012.
The letter read it was "the bitter nurse confession" and he had been prescribed sleeping tablets and anti-depressants.

Manchester Crown Court heard that the defendant told police he wrote the letter after a counselling session in which he was told to write down his feelings as an outlet for his frustrations.

What a coincidence!

In the letter, the nurse says he is writing it in case something happens to him and so people can "work out how an angel turn to an evil person".

Do you realise it's possible for some of us to agree with peoples position on something but that it doesn't necessarily mean we'll agree with their position on everything?

It is people like you would struggle with something like this because you're so quick to label people based off their opinion and decide that it means x, y and z about them.

Sounds as if this may be advice counsellors, therapists, and bog standard teachers and colleagues give. Yes, I am very willing to believe that both Lucy Letby and Chua came across it, having seen it recommended dozens of times myself.

Yes that is very valid information and should have been studied and released in the media more

Maybe she was feeling overly responsible and saying that she must have been responsible for their deaths through her own poor care. Killing someone is not the same as murdering someone. It sounds like a child like regression under the intense pressure of the hospital, the police and public believing that she killed them - she is trying to make sense of why they think that perhaps? People do give false confessions under much less pressure than that. The only sense she could make of what was happening was that maybe she was responsible because she didn't look after them properly and had accidentally done things she shouldn't have.

I used to write all my random thoughts and musings in a blank book. I can imagine writing bad things about myself and maybe she said it on a sarcastic way like she was writing yes I did this awful thing you are accusing me of, of course I killed these babies on purpose, because I am rubbish and can't cope with treating them. I think people can have random thoughts and write them down

I believe those words that she wrote was the straw that broke her defence

I don't believe she had a fair trial. She do not have a doctor on her side to argue the case, did she ?

Apparently the ward was dirty with sewage coming up. This paints a wider picture of under funding and sub- optimal care