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To think John Davidson and BAFTA owe an apology

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notaurewhatusername · 23/02/2026 20:10

I have sympathy for anyone with Tourette’s. I genuinely do. It’s a difficult condition and I’m not for one second suggesting John Davidson is a bad person or that he chose to say what he said. But sympathy for a condition doesn’t mean the impact on others gets ignored.

Intent matters but so does impact. If I accidentally stand on someone’s foot I still say sorry, even though I didn’t mean to do it. “I didn’t mean it” and “I acknowledge I hurt you” are not mutually exclusive. I wouldn’t get annoyed at the suggestion of apologising simply because I didn’t mean it, so why is this different? Especially as it was a public stage in front of millions. I don’t expect John to apologise every day in normal interactions, but at such a public forum - he should. Michael B Jordan looked visibly devastated. It was so sad.

When he saw two Black men and the n-word came out — not H**ky at the white hosts for example, not some other neutral word, the n-word directed at Black people in the room — that caused real harm to real people. Tourette’s tics are shaped by what the brain reaches for as most “forbidden” in a given moment, and what it reached for when he saw two Black men was a racial slur aimed at them. That raises really uncomfortable questions about unconscious bias that most people would rather sidestep entirely.

It doesn’t make him a conscious racist. But it does make it a conversation worth having, because our unconscious associations don’t come from nowhere — they’re shaped by everything we’ve absorbed over a lifetime. That connotation being the first place his brain went is something that deserves acknowledgement, not just a pass because of the diagnosis. And as a POC, I have to be honest — this is heartbreaking. Not just the incident itself but what it represents.

I can’t tell you how many times I’ve tried to explain to white friends and colleagues that certain spaces feel uncomfortable, that you notice the stares, that you carry this constant low level awareness of how you might be being perceived. And so often the response is “you’re imagining it” or “you’re being too sensitive.” You get gaslit into doubting your own lived experience. Well — moments like this are exactly why it isn’t in our heads. This is the reality POC navigate every single day. Always on alert. Always doing that mental calculation of whether someone is judging you for the colour of your skin. That emotional labour is exhausting and largely invisible to people who’ve never had to carry it.

John thanking the audience for their “understanding” puts the burden entirely on those who were hurt to just get over it. That’s not the same as acknowledging the pain caused. AIBU to think a bit more than “thanks for understanding” was needed here — from both of them?

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SlipperStar · 25/02/2026 09:16

CharlotteRumpling · 25/02/2026 09:04

Yeah no. They don't need to say a damn thing. Especially as they are also receiving abuse and being told off by MAGA for whining, when they have said not a single word.

Yep

So it's fine for a black person who wasn't there to go on a rant but to think it would be nice for those there to make a statement of compassion and understanding is wrong?

DotAndCarryOne2 · 25/02/2026 09:17

Garythehairyfairy · 25/02/2026 09:12

I think your second point is really valid, but the slur is much more offensive if you perceive that John must feel that way about black people deep down and it came to the surface, vs an understanding of what tourretes actually is.
My understanding is that he feels an overwhelming urge to say things which he knows are terrible, not that tourretes removes a filter for saying true feelings out loud.
This is where people are split, it's like schrodinger's slur.

This. Perfectly put. With Tourettes the brain presents the person with irresistibly intrusive thoughts - whats the worst thing they could possibly say in any given situation ? It’s involuntary and not a reflection of any characteristic or belief of the person themselves.

CharlotteRumpling · 25/02/2026 09:18

So the list of demands by some posters:

Slurs should be left in to educate people about Tourettes. Against John Davidson's wishes.

MBJ and DL should make a statement and distract from their own achievements, because they need to be " good men".

Yes Massa!

And we wonder why black MN needs its own forum

DotAndCarryOne2 · 25/02/2026 09:19

SlipperStar · 25/02/2026 09:16

Yep

So it's fine for a black person who wasn't there to go on a rant but to think it would be nice for those there to make a statement of compassion and understanding is wrong?

Once again, as on the previous thread, the rule seems to be that a PoC can be horribly and offensively ableist but somehow being black makes them immune to any consequences.

SpaceRaccoon · 25/02/2026 09:20

I have OCD and have had stages when I get bad intrusive thoughts, and it's hell, because it's exactly the worst things that you least wish to do. We had to leave a motorway one day because I couldn't stop thinking I would open the door and jump out. I was in tears and it took hours to get home.
I'm genuinely ashamed to say some of the others out loud or type them, but it's not me or my desires, it's my brain conjuring awful things to distress me.

SlipperStar · 25/02/2026 09:20

SpaceRaccoon · 25/02/2026 09:10

Especially given that he has now apologised to them in person (for all he shouldn't have to).

It's coming across as lacking in compassion now, to see mass witch hunt against a vulnerable man, and not make a statement to take the heat out of things.

Exactly

If it were me who had been on the receiving end of the comment and then people in the same characteristic and with as big a platform then began to attack the person who'd said it then making a statement of support for the person with Tourettes would be top of my list as a compassionate and caring thing to do

If John is expected to apologise despite not needing to because of "decency", then it's no different to think DL and MBJ should release a statement (not apology)

SlipperStar · 25/02/2026 09:22

CharlotteRumpling · 25/02/2026 09:18

So the list of demands by some posters:

Slurs should be left in to educate people about Tourettes. Against John Davidson's wishes.

MBJ and DL should make a statement and distract from their own achievements, because they need to be " good men".

Yes Massa!

And we wonder why black MN needs its own forum

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How is them making a statement about this specific incident distracting from their own achievements?

This whole discussion and the attacks against John are overshadowing ALL the achievements made by ALL winners at the BAFTAs!

SpaceRaccoon · 25/02/2026 09:23

CharlotteRumpling · 25/02/2026 09:18

So the list of demands by some posters:

Slurs should be left in to educate people about Tourettes. Against John Davidson's wishes.

MBJ and DL should make a statement and distract from their own achievements, because they need to be " good men".

Yes Massa!

And we wonder why black MN needs its own forum

Edited

I have no expectations of them that I wouldn't have of another group that was similarly shouted slurs at.
If he'd shouted f*g at gay men on stage, or "I love Hamas" or "Heil Hilter" to a Jewish person, my reaction would be completely the same.

In fact he did shout tics at Alan Cumming, he called him a paedo.

CharlotteRumpling · 25/02/2026 09:24

I organise and speak at events for my employer, hence my interest in the BAFTAs. They are recorded, and to a diverse audience.

I can tell you now that if a disabled person uses racist slurs against anyone, they WILL be edited out. Hasn't happened so far but may happen. There is nothing in the law that prevents this and I am not interested in using PoC as a teaching tool to make some people feel good. Or being a good girl myself. I won't exclude anyone who wants to attend, but I will not allow racial slurs to be broadcast.

SlipperStar · 25/02/2026 09:24

DotAndCarryOne2 · 25/02/2026 09:19

Once again, as on the previous thread, the rule seems to be that a PoC can be horribly and offensively ableist but somehow being black makes them immune to any consequences.

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Apparently expecting a little human decency is overshadowing their achievements and using them as a teaching aid

Honestly

If he'd shouted F*ggot at Alan Cumming and then Layton Williams was on Twitter calling him a disgusting homophobe I'd be expecting Alan to show a little human decency and make a statement too

DotAndCarryOne2 · 25/02/2026 09:25

CharlotteRumpling · 25/02/2026 09:18

So the list of demands by some posters:

Slurs should be left in to educate people about Tourettes. Against John Davidson's wishes.

MBJ and DL should make a statement and distract from their own achievements, because they need to be " good men".

Yes Massa!

And we wonder why black MN needs its own forum

Edited

No, what needs to happen is that some posters stop trying to explain to other posters in the belief they don’t understand the issues being discussed, when in fact they understand them perfectly well. They just don’t agree. This is not a game of top trumps between race and disability. There are issues that are common to both, and many posters seem to think it’s horrific to be racist but just fine to be ableist.

DotAndCarryOne2 · 25/02/2026 09:26

SlipperStar · 25/02/2026 09:24

Apparently expecting a little human decency is overshadowing their achievements and using them as a teaching aid

Honestly

If he'd shouted F*ggot at Alan Cumming and then Layton Williams was on Twitter calling him a disgusting homophobe I'd be expecting Alan to show a little human decency and make a statement too

Spot on.

CharlotteRumpling · 25/02/2026 09:28

DotAndCarryOne2 · 25/02/2026 09:25

No, what needs to happen is that some posters stop trying to explain to other posters in the belief they don’t understand the issues being discussed, when in fact they understand them perfectly well. They just don’t agree. This is not a game of top trumps between race and disability. There are issues that are common to both, and many posters seem to think it’s horrific to be racist but just fine to be ableist.

I don't believe editing slurs is ableist. Neither does JD! We are on the same side.

Sparron · 25/02/2026 09:32

This whole saga is just hilarious. Its nothing but the desperate attempts of left leaning woke types trying to decide who gets awarded the most oppression points and thus gets to be the biggest victim.

Does the lefty ban tourettes sufferers from being out public, lest they say words with magic powers, or do they lecture the black people who are offended by a disability for their oppression of the tourettes sufferer.

To watch the mental gymnastics of these people as they try to square the circle of equality while ranking people on who sits higher the ladder of oppression.

Why not do what any normal person is thinking. Tell anyone who is offended to watch the original 1989 documentary, learn how dibilitating severe tourettes is, understand the context and move on.

DotAndCarryOne2 · 25/02/2026 09:37

CharlotteRumpling · 25/02/2026 09:24

I organise and speak at events for my employer, hence my interest in the BAFTAs. They are recorded, and to a diverse audience.

I can tell you now that if a disabled person uses racist slurs against anyone, they WILL be edited out. Hasn't happened so far but may happen. There is nothing in the law that prevents this and I am not interested in using PoC as a teaching tool to make some people feel good. Or being a good girl myself. I won't exclude anyone who wants to attend, but I will not allow racial slurs to be broadcast.

You are completely failing to grasp that in this context there was no racist slur. And that’s the whole point. The word was completely random - the product of a malfunctioning brain producing intrusive thoughts that are impossible to resist.

There was no intent, and intent is what matters. You are editing out the facets and traits of one section of society and pretending they don’t exist, so as to prioritise a different section of society. And in doing so you are preserving the status quo. No opportunity for society to learn, grow, be inclusive and eliminate prejudice and discrimination towards disabled people. Which is ironic because that’s exactly what people of colour want and need for themselves.

So what’s the take away here? It seems to be that some sections of society are more deserving of freedom from oppression and prejudice than others.

DotAndCarryOne2 · 25/02/2026 09:38

Sparron · 25/02/2026 09:32

This whole saga is just hilarious. Its nothing but the desperate attempts of left leaning woke types trying to decide who gets awarded the most oppression points and thus gets to be the biggest victim.

Does the lefty ban tourettes sufferers from being out public, lest they say words with magic powers, or do they lecture the black people who are offended by a disability for their oppression of the tourettes sufferer.

To watch the mental gymnastics of these people as they try to square the circle of equality while ranking people on who sits higher the ladder of oppression.

Why not do what any normal person is thinking. Tell anyone who is offended to watch the original 1989 documentary, learn how dibilitating severe tourettes is, understand the context and move on.

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This. With bells on.

CharlotteRumpling · 25/02/2026 09:39

DotAndCarryOne2 · 25/02/2026 09:37

You are completely failing to grasp that in this context there was no racist slur. And that’s the whole point. The word was completely random - the product of a malfunctioning brain producing intrusive thoughts that are impossible to resist.

There was no intent, and intent is what matters. You are editing out the facets and traits of one section of society and pretending they don’t exist, so as to prioritise a different section of society. And in doing so you are preserving the status quo. No opportunity for society to learn, grow, be inclusive and eliminate prejudice and discrimination towards disabled people. Which is ironic because that’s exactly what people of colour want and need for themselves.

So what’s the take away here? It seems to be that some sections of society are more deserving of freedom from oppression and prejudice than others.

Edited

Ok. Take it up with the law
I am not interested in hearing white people tell me what PoC need.
I am content with not excluding anyone

CharlotteRumpling · 25/02/2026 09:44

It's interesting that some of the disability advocates here are so invested in calling others ableist that they ignore the views of actual disabled people.

JD himself WANTED his tics edited out . Before the event. But of course he doesn't get a say!

DotAndCarryOne2 · 25/02/2026 09:48

CharlotteRumpling · 25/02/2026 09:39

Ok. Take it up with the law
I am not interested in hearing white people tell me what PoC need.
I am content with not excluding anyone

Ah, so there we have it. White people can’t have an opinion, simply because they’re white. Interesting, because nowhere on this thread have l mentioned my own race or ethnicity. So l have to assume that you think you speak for all people of colour.

And l don’t need to take it up with the law. Thankfully the law doesn’t hold vulnerable disabled people responsible for actions over which they have no control and doesn’t advocate for censorship of them.

CharlotteRumpling · 25/02/2026 09:51

DotAndCarryOne2 · 25/02/2026 09:48

Ah, so there we have it. White people can’t have an opinion, simply because they’re white. Interesting, because nowhere on this thread have l mentioned my own race or ethnicity. So l have to assume that you think you speak for all people of colour.

And l don’t need to take it up with the law. Thankfully the law doesn’t hold vulnerable disabled people responsible for actions over which they have no control and doesn’t advocate for censorship of them.

The law allows for slurs to be edited. Especially if the disabled person wants them to be.
White people absolutely cannot have an opinion on racist slurs because they are not usually subject to them in this country.
Just like I am not willing to have men mansplain childbirth to me.

JasmineMac · 25/02/2026 09:51

CharlotteRumpling · 25/02/2026 09:28

I don't believe editing slurs is ableist. Neither does JD! We are on the same side.

John didn't say anything of the sort about 'editing slurs'. Those words weren't used, and to reduce his detailed (and clearly deliberate, in the interests of promoting understanding) nuance to that is very disingenuous. What he actually referenced was his understanding that swearing would be filtered, as it always is at these ceremonies. He also said that he thought his tics would be inaudible, and he left when he realised the sound of his tics were reaching the stage.

The main point to be taken from John's Variety interview is that "what you’re hearing is a symptom — not my character, not my thought, not my belief" (sic).

CharlotteRumpling · 25/02/2026 09:53

JasmineMac · 25/02/2026 09:51

John didn't say anything of the sort about 'editing slurs'. Those words weren't used, and to reduce his detailed (and clearly deliberate, in the interests of promoting understanding) nuance to that is very disingenuous. What he actually referenced was his understanding that swearing would be filtered, as it always is at these ceremonies. He also said that he thought his tics would be inaudible, and he left when he realised the sound of his tics were reaching the stage.

The main point to be taken from John's Variety interview is that "what you’re hearing is a symptom — not my character, not my thought, not my belief" (sic).

Swearing is filtered is the same thing. Essentially he believed his tics would not be audible. End of.
BAFTA ensured they were.

DotAndCarryOne2 · 25/02/2026 09:54

CharlotteRumpling · 25/02/2026 09:44

It's interesting that some of the disability advocates here are so invested in calling others ableist that they ignore the views of actual disabled people.

JD himself WANTED his tics edited out . Before the event. But of course he doesn't get a say!

What JD actually said was not that he wanted his tics edited out, but that he had been told that ‘swearing’ would be filtered out. That’s not the same thing as wanting them to be edited out, it’s compliance. If you read what was reported in Variety he didn’t believe his tics would be audible.

CharlotteRumpling · 25/02/2026 09:55

DotAndCarryOne2 · 25/02/2026 09:54

What JD actually said was not that he wanted his tics edited out, but that he had been told that ‘swearing’ would be filtered out. That’s not the same thing as wanting them to be edited out, it’s compliance. If you read what was reported in Variety he didn’t believe his tics would be audible.

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Hairsplitting. He didn't want his tics to be heard. Otherwise he would have instructed the BBC to leave them in. All else is semantics.

mollypuss1 · 25/02/2026 09:56

CharlotteRumpling · 25/02/2026 09:39

Ok. Take it up with the law
I am not interested in hearing white people tell me what PoC need.
I am content with not excluding anyone

You’ve lost all credibility now.

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