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To think John Davidson and BAFTA owe an apology

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notaurewhatusername · 23/02/2026 20:10

I have sympathy for anyone with Tourette’s. I genuinely do. It’s a difficult condition and I’m not for one second suggesting John Davidson is a bad person or that he chose to say what he said. But sympathy for a condition doesn’t mean the impact on others gets ignored.

Intent matters but so does impact. If I accidentally stand on someone’s foot I still say sorry, even though I didn’t mean to do it. “I didn’t mean it” and “I acknowledge I hurt you” are not mutually exclusive. I wouldn’t get annoyed at the suggestion of apologising simply because I didn’t mean it, so why is this different? Especially as it was a public stage in front of millions. I don’t expect John to apologise every day in normal interactions, but at such a public forum - he should. Michael B Jordan looked visibly devastated. It was so sad.

When he saw two Black men and the n-word came out — not H**ky at the white hosts for example, not some other neutral word, the n-word directed at Black people in the room — that caused real harm to real people. Tourette’s tics are shaped by what the brain reaches for as most “forbidden” in a given moment, and what it reached for when he saw two Black men was a racial slur aimed at them. That raises really uncomfortable questions about unconscious bias that most people would rather sidestep entirely.

It doesn’t make him a conscious racist. But it does make it a conversation worth having, because our unconscious associations don’t come from nowhere — they’re shaped by everything we’ve absorbed over a lifetime. That connotation being the first place his brain went is something that deserves acknowledgement, not just a pass because of the diagnosis. And as a POC, I have to be honest — this is heartbreaking. Not just the incident itself but what it represents.

I can’t tell you how many times I’ve tried to explain to white friends and colleagues that certain spaces feel uncomfortable, that you notice the stares, that you carry this constant low level awareness of how you might be being perceived. And so often the response is “you’re imagining it” or “you’re being too sensitive.” You get gaslit into doubting your own lived experience. Well — moments like this are exactly why it isn’t in our heads. This is the reality POC navigate every single day. Always on alert. Always doing that mental calculation of whether someone is judging you for the colour of your skin. That emotional labour is exhausting and largely invisible to people who’ve never had to carry it.

John thanking the audience for their “understanding” puts the burden entirely on those who were hurt to just get over it. That’s not the same as acknowledging the pain caused. AIBU to think a bit more than “thanks for understanding” was needed here — from both of them?

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OtterlyAstounding · 24/02/2026 08:33

mollypuss1 · 24/02/2026 08:27

Your husband apologised because he made a mistake. John didn’t make a mistake. You want him to apologise for who he is.

So if her husband had reversed into a car because of a medical incident, he shouldn't apologise?

Laserwho · 24/02/2026 08:33

OP you need to watch the film I swear. It's about his life. Also watch his many documentaries available free on YouTube raising awareness that he has done since his teenage years. They will give you understanding about tourettes. Also everyone at the award ceremony was told about his tourettes and that he may have tics during it. No one should have been offended. OP give your head a wobble.

FreeWheezin · 24/02/2026 08:33

notaurewhatusername · 23/02/2026 21:48

@hazelnutvanillalattei wonder if he had called a postpartum mom fat if Mumsnet would be so forgiving about an apology.

an apology costs NOTHING. It’s like me saying something offended someone and then refusing to apologise because it’s my personality I didn’t mean it. Apologising would mean apologising for ‘who I am’. See how silly that sounds?

You said no one was responding to your analogies, ans tbst showed you were right. I responded to one and you ignored it.

We now know:
John's condition was explained to everyone in attendence at the show at the beginning, and the crowd applauded.
When John realised his tics were causing distress he left early.

Here's an l analogy I'd love you to think about. A wheelchair user has an electric wheelchair. This is the best wheelchair they can afford, but because of a manufacturing problem, everytime they turn left the motor makes a screaming noise, like a baby crying. It's their birthday, and they are going to a party that is celebrating them and other recent birthdays. They are really excited, especially as it is not often they get to go to a big party like this. Often, many people complain about the sound of the wheelchair. They spend a lot of time apologising for the sound, and so often its just easier to stay at home.

At the beginning of the party an annoucement is made: 'please be aware that there may be a loud screaming noise like a baby crying. We know this sound will be really uncomfortable for lots of you, and some people may be more personally affected by the sound. Please know that no-one is making the sound deliberately, it's caused by a manufacturing issue with a wheelchair'.
Later that night, two women who have experienced pregancy loss are making a birthday speech for an attendee. The wheelchair user turns left, and the room is filled with the sound of a baby scream. The women are deeply affected by the sound but they compose themselves and carry on. The host of the party later says 'People will be aware that the wheelchair caused a distressing sound again, it really is not deliberate, it just happens when the wheelchair user needs to turn left, but we are sorry to those who were caused distress.'

The next day in the local press and on social media millions of people demand the wheelchair user apologise for the sound their wheelchair made, and suggest that the user must actually think the sound is ok if they are happy to keep turning left. Couldn't they choose to take a bigger right turn instead? Some say the wheelchair user shouldn't attend birthday parties anymore in case any other women who experienced pregancy loss might be there.

mollypuss1 · 24/02/2026 08:34

OtterlyAstounding · 24/02/2026 08:33

So if her husband had reversed into a car because of a medical incident, he shouldn't apologise?

If he was having a medical incident I would hope the person he reversed into would be understanding and offering assistance rather than demanding an apology.

Ukefluke · 24/02/2026 08:36

CharlotteRumpling · 24/02/2026 08:24

May I hazard that the Queen has never had her Britishness questioned- though she was German- or told that she was a blight on this nation by every political party? Or overlooked for jobs because of the colour of her skin? Or ever been poor and had to work her way up?

Unlike possibly Delroy Lindo, who was a Windrush child born in Lewisham to a single mother.
Do you not see the difference?

But I bet John has experienced most of these comments and discrimination based on his disabililty not his skin tone.

Or overlooked for jobs because of his disability? Yep
Been poor and had to work his way up? Yep
Been told he is a blight? Yep.

Quine0nline · 24/02/2026 08:36

It was wrong of the TV companies to not censor the words.

It is interesting to see some people's pyramid of victimhood. " I'm a victim, I'm more of a victim, I'm victimer, I'm victimeterer".

Some people, intentionally or not are giving free gifts to racists, by their reaction.

CharlotteRumpling · 24/02/2026 08:37

mollypuss1 · 24/02/2026 08:34

If he was having a medical incident I would hope the person he reversed into would be understanding and offering assistance rather than demanding an apology.

This happened recently. A woman driver with epilepsy killed two schoolgirls in Wimbledon.
Oddly no one argued that the parents of the girls should apologise.

CharlotteRumpling · 24/02/2026 08:38

Ukefluke · 24/02/2026 08:36

But I bet John has experienced most of these comments and discrimination based on his disabililty not his skin tone.

Or overlooked for jobs because of his disability? Yep
Been poor and had to work his way up? Yep
Been told he is a blight? Yep.

Indeed. Which is why I am not saying JD should apologise. All the fault of the BBC.

CharlotteRumpling · 24/02/2026 08:39

Quine0nline · 24/02/2026 08:36

It was wrong of the TV companies to not censor the words.

It is interesting to see some people's pyramid of victimhood. " I'm a victim, I'm more of a victim, I'm victimer, I'm victimeterer".

Some people, intentionally or not are giving free gifts to racists, by their reaction.

Agree with the first sentence. Agree that JD is not at fault.

Do not agree that black people should have to put up with being called the N word or be called victims.

SlipperStar · 24/02/2026 08:42

CharlotteRumpling · 24/02/2026 08:24

May I hazard that the Queen has never had her Britishness questioned- though she was German- or told that she was a blight on this nation by every political party? Or overlooked for jobs because of the colour of her skin? Or ever been poor and had to work her way up?

Unlike possibly Delroy Lindo, who was a Windrush child born in Lewisham to a single mother.
Do you not see the difference?

Do you not see that you are making a hierarchy of offence?

That you are saying 2 black men have more right to be offended than the Queen or King Charles because, as you've said elsewhere, they're rich and white?

Is that really how it works?

OtterlyAstounding · 24/02/2026 08:44

mollypuss1 · 24/02/2026 08:34

If he was having a medical incident I would hope the person he reversed into would be understanding and offering assistance rather than demanding an apology.

In the moment, yes, but afterwards, do you really think that they shouldn't apologise? Maybe I'm just polite, but I'd most definitely apologise, probably profusely if their car was damaged, because while it's not my fault I was still the agent that did it, and they have still been impacted.

I'm sure you'd understand that if someone had a medical incident while driving and people died, the person driving should express sorrow over what happened, even though it wasn't their fault?

This is just like that, but on a much smaller scale.

PrizedPickledPopcorn · 24/02/2026 08:44

notaurewhatusername · 24/02/2026 07:50

Powerful point . And great one, exactly. We all as women can agree that bitch isn’t the same from a man than a woman

Isn’t it true then, that intent matters? If ‘bitch’ between friends is ok because of intent, why isn’t a verbal tic ok, because of intent? If John had yelled ‘bitch’ at a woman receiving an award in a male dominated field, and it would have been compulsive, not an intentional use of the word.

SlipperStar · 24/02/2026 08:45

mollypuss1 · 24/02/2026 08:27

Your husband apologised because he made a mistake. John didn’t make a mistake. You want him to apologise for who he is.

This!

I've been trying to work out what was bothering me about the analogy and it's this

You apologise because of an accident or mistake because it was your fault, even if it was just clumsiness or whatever

But this wasn't a mistake or an accident. It was his condition and he has no control

CharlotteRumpling · 24/02/2026 08:46

SlipperStar · 24/02/2026 08:42

Do you not see that you are making a hierarchy of offence?

That you are saying 2 black men have more right to be offended than the Queen or King Charles because, as you've said elsewhere, they're rich and white?

Is that really how it works?

No, I don't agree I am creating a hierarchy. If you think calling a black man the N word is the same as telling the Queen to fuck off, we will have to disagree.

If JD had called Alan Cumming the N word, is it the same as shouting it to MBJ? Clearly not! Is that creating a hierarchy?

SlipperStar · 24/02/2026 08:47

CharlotteRumpling · 24/02/2026 08:32

No. MBJ and DL are not responsible for the abuse JD is receiving. That's on the BBC.

A statement wouldn't be an apology from them, because they don't owe one, but an acknowledgement from them that they aren't holding a grudge and understand why it happened

A dignified response to show the world how they are being offended on someone else's behalf who wasn't offended

CharlotteRumpling · 24/02/2026 08:48

PrizedPickledPopcorn · 24/02/2026 08:44

Isn’t it true then, that intent matters? If ‘bitch’ between friends is ok because of intent, why isn’t a verbal tic ok, because of intent? If John had yelled ‘bitch’ at a woman receiving an award in a male dominated field, and it would have been compulsive, not an intentional use of the word.

Yes I agree. Therefore JD is not at fault as I have said consistently.

My only issue is that posters, in their zeal to stand up for Tourettes sufferers, are now arguing the N word is perfectly fine. And that MBJ and DL should apologise.

NotMeAtAll · 24/02/2026 08:50

notaurewhatusername · 24/02/2026 07:53

Why the eff should they make a statement? They are victims. Disability or not that are still victims!

Absolutely. I can't imagine how humiliating it was having this vile dehumanising insult shouted at them when all eyes were on them.

Mr. Davidson said he was “Deeply mortified" and that he "chose to leave the auditorium early into the ceremony as [he] was aware of the distress [his] tics were causing.”

It's desperately sad.

SlipperStar · 24/02/2026 08:50

CharlotteRumpling · 24/02/2026 08:37

This happened recently. A woman driver with epilepsy killed two schoolgirls in Wimbledon.
Oddly no one argued that the parents of the girls should apologise.

And noone is arguing that MBJ and DL apologise? What's your point?

SlipperStar · 24/02/2026 08:51

OtterlyAstounding · 24/02/2026 08:44

In the moment, yes, but afterwards, do you really think that they shouldn't apologise? Maybe I'm just polite, but I'd most definitely apologise, probably profusely if their car was damaged, because while it's not my fault I was still the agent that did it, and they have still been impacted.

I'm sure you'd understand that if someone had a medical incident while driving and people died, the person driving should express sorrow over what happened, even though it wasn't their fault?

This is just like that, but on a much smaller scale.

Sorrow and an apology are not the same

OtterlyAstounding · 24/02/2026 08:51

SlipperStar · 24/02/2026 08:45

This!

I've been trying to work out what was bothering me about the analogy and it's this

You apologise because of an accident or mistake because it was your fault, even if it was just clumsiness or whatever

But this wasn't a mistake or an accident. It was his condition and he has no control

So if you make a mistake at the wheel that kills someone, you should apologise. But if you have a stroke at the wheel and kill someone, you shouldn't?

I don't know. I don't think 'it's a condition' means one shouldn't offer an apology.

For instance, if I had a condition that made me poke people on the cheek and say 'boop', I'd apologise! Probably, 'I'm so sorry, it's involuntary, I have a condition that means I do that'.
Obviously, if you spend a lot of time with them, they'll probably tell you, 'stop apologising!' fairly quickly, but on a personal 'what would I do?' level, I'd err on the side of apology.

CharlotteRumpling · 24/02/2026 08:52

SlipperStar · 24/02/2026 08:50

And noone is arguing that MBJ and DL apologise? What's your point?

You are saying they should put out an acknowledgement. A pp has said they should apologise for 'bullying' JD.

SlipperStar · 24/02/2026 08:53

CharlotteRumpling · 24/02/2026 08:46

No, I don't agree I am creating a hierarchy. If you think calling a black man the N word is the same as telling the Queen to fuck off, we will have to disagree.

If JD had called Alan Cumming the N word, is it the same as shouting it to MBJ? Clearly not! Is that creating a hierarchy?

Well you wouldn't would you?

It's exactly what you are doing though by comparing "well ye he said something to her but she's not experience X, Y and Z so it's not as bad"

He wouldn't call Alan Cumming the N word because it doesn't make sense. But Alan is a very openly flamboyant, gay man. He could have yelled out all kinds of homophobic insults which would cause great offence

mollypuss1 · 24/02/2026 08:55

OtterlyAstounding · 24/02/2026 08:44

In the moment, yes, but afterwards, do you really think that they shouldn't apologise? Maybe I'm just polite, but I'd most definitely apologise, probably profusely if their car was damaged, because while it's not my fault I was still the agent that did it, and they have still been impacted.

I'm sure you'd understand that if someone had a medical incident while driving and people died, the person driving should express sorrow over what happened, even though it wasn't their fault?

This is just like that, but on a much smaller scale.

This is nothing like that.

Your analogy is fundamentally flawed because you are comparing a one off extreme incident with something John does hundreds of times a day. You are expecting him to apologise hundreds of times a day just for who he is.

If John’s Tourette’s caused someone to die then I’m sure he would apologise, but it hasn’t and you cannot expect anyone to live their life constantly apologising just for existing.

OtterlyAstounding · 24/02/2026 08:56

SlipperStar · 24/02/2026 08:51

Sorrow and an apology are not the same

Perhaps 'saying sorry' would be a better word than 'apology' then - I just tend to use them interchangeably, but you're right that they are technically different.

So, I would 'say sorry' by expressing my apologies/regrets/remorse at what I unintentionally did/sadness that I've unintentionally hurt them, to an appropriate degree.

CharlotteRumpling · 24/02/2026 08:57

SlipperStar · 24/02/2026 08:53

Well you wouldn't would you?

It's exactly what you are doing though by comparing "well ye he said something to her but she's not experience X, Y and Z so it's not as bad"

He wouldn't call Alan Cumming the N word because it doesn't make sense. But Alan is a very openly flamboyant, gay man. He could have yelled out all kinds of homophobic insults which would cause great offence

So you are saying calling Alan Cumming.a homophobic insult would land differently- and hurt more- than calling him the N word? Agree.
Just like calling me the P word would humiliate me more than telling me to fuck off.
If that's a hierarchy, fine.

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