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To think there's a growing amount of people who think food can fix everything?

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StructuredChaos · 22/02/2026 13:56

Was listening to some ZOE podcasts, and love eating healthy foods myself, so it isn't a criticism of nutrition awareness. I'm a bit of a cooking nerd so love all of this stuff and finding new recipes, but I am noticing more and more people who seem to believe that eating low upf and fresh fruit and veg can add 'decades' to a human lifespan.

It certainly won't shorten it!
Surely this is an oversimplification, though?

I have always eaten in a kind of 'ZOE' way, and whilst I don't have any metabolic disease, weight problems or other issues, I am not so confident that I am going to outlive my peers due to this. It's something I can control, yes, and that's great, but I think it's deceptive to think we won't ever get cancer, heart disease, dementia or auto immune diseases if we eat in a 'clean' or ideal way.

Not to mention the 'ideal' keeps bloody changing!

I don't think life is that simple at all, even though I do champion healthy, fresh diets.
I see people who claim their spots, headaches, IBS, brain fog, joint aches and other issues immediately cease when they start eating fresh fruit and veg, or low histamine, or low inflammatory diets...... What puzzles me, as someone who has always enjoyed high fibre and fresh foods, is how nebulous those symptoms are, and not very well understood by GP's.
It allows for all manner of snake oil claims online, since the placebo effect is strong.

Just saw a vid with Tim Spector claiming that eating the ZOE way will certainly add 10 extra healthy years to your life. So if we use myself as an example of this, it doesn't take into account my familial heart disease, stroke risk, potential genetic cancers, and a world of non food related risks, of which there are countless examples.

It reminds me of those people who think they will never get ill because they don't smoke. Neither did my parents, but they died before their time (sepsis and vascular dementia).

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Itsmetheflamingo · 26/02/2026 20:37

Womaninhouse17 · 26/02/2026 20:32

Also, there is loads of fibre in fruit and vegetables so you're wrong there.

No there isn’t 😁 even the most fibrous fruit has around 5g per 100g.

The equivalent 100g of all bran has 24g fibre.

RDA is 25g a day for women.

DuchessofStaffordshire · 26/02/2026 20:39

Itsmetheflamingo · 26/02/2026 20:37

No there isn’t 😁 even the most fibrous fruit has around 5g per 100g.

The equivalent 100g of all bran has 24g fibre.

RDA is 25g a day for women.

I think the problem is that you're coming across as obtuse and belligerent, even when faced with data. An n=1 anecdote, based upon what you eat in one day is not science.

Itsmetheflamingo · 26/02/2026 20:42

DuchessofStaffordshire · 26/02/2026 20:39

I think the problem is that you're coming across as obtuse and belligerent, even when faced with data. An n=1 anecdote, based upon what you eat in one day is not science.

Yes and therefore you realise that observing people’s trollies is an anecdote.

DuchessofStaffordshire · 26/02/2026 20:43

Itsmetheflamingo · 26/02/2026 20:42

Yes and therefore you realise that observing people’s trollies is an anecdote.

Which is why I went in search of some actual data. You haven't presented any.

Barrellturn · 26/02/2026 21:14

I can't get over the peas and carrots. Was that with the quiche? That seems all kinds of wrong to me.

Womaninhouse17 · 26/02/2026 21:38

Itsmetheflamingo · 26/02/2026 20:34

No, you are backing up a poster who says most people eat crap because she looks at their trollies (adding you conclude from your own trolly observations people eat a lot of crap) and you don’t seem to recognise how bonkers you sound. Trollies in supermarkets? You’re having a laugh.

No. You are wrong. I see the facts that there is an obesity crisis. I wonder why that is. I look around and see what a lot of people eat - unhealthy food that is pushed at them because somebody can make a profit out of it and somebody else can make a profit by selling diets or weight loss injections or the latest 'super food' or some exercise regime. I am not blaming the people at the mercy of all this.

Womaninhouse17 · 26/02/2026 21:44

Itsmetheflamingo · 26/02/2026 20:37

No there isn’t 😁 even the most fibrous fruit has around 5g per 100g.

The equivalent 100g of all bran has 24g fibre.

RDA is 25g a day for women.

So a healthy diet would be just eating bran rather than fruit and vegetables? Oh, and add a few vitamin pills, some protein bars, calcium tablets... A perfect diet everybody will enjoy. You clearly have all the answers.

landlordhell · 28/02/2026 10:16

Itsmetheflamingo · 26/02/2026 20:37

No there isn’t 😁 even the most fibrous fruit has around 5g per 100g.

The equivalent 100g of all bran has 24g fibre.

RDA is 25g a day for women.

6-7g for raspberries and avocados. But they contain more than fibre. All the vitamins and polyphenols that we need as part of a healthy diet .

landlordhell · 28/02/2026 10:18

StructuredChaos · 26/02/2026 12:39

On the subject of 'other people's trolleys' I am often surprised how good the things are, as MN set me up to find horrors of upf spilling out of everyone's checkout belt Grin
No matter their class, weight or financial situation, most I see buy a good amount of fresh veg and fruit.

As for ZOE and my earlier posts, I actually carried on watching more of their videos.
And even though I agree that the biome research is extremely exciting, I do feel like I am being played by the hosts. These are very wealthy entrepreneurs and extremely slick about it, and as usual their target purchaser is the middle aged female (75% members are women) with complex dieting backgrounds.

These members finance the research, which isn't surprising to an extent, but test subjects are often reimbursed, not scraped for cash.
Aren't' they clever? lol.

I am not sure where I read about it now, but I was also informed that they sell the personal health data to private health insurance companies in the US. I can't confirm if this is legitimate info but worth looking into if you are a member.

I just feel that there is something every so slightly off with ZOE.
And whilst I love their tips about health and gut science, I can't quite put my finger on why I feel like I am being either patronised or grifted.

This doesn't mean their advice is 'wrong', though.

Edited

I listen to Zoe but I don’t buy anything from them.

Crikeyalmighty · 28/02/2026 19:09

LadyCrustybread · 26/02/2026 20:30

Tbf trollies arent the whole diet. I get my fruit and veg delivered by Oddbox or Abel and Cole so you wouldn’t see it in my trolley.

Yep I get veg on the indoor farmers market and whilst my main shop is Waitrose, I also get fruit and salad stuff at M&S- so whilst my trolley doesn’t carry much ‘crap’ stuff ( don’t have kids at home so no snacks etc) it also would look like an alarming lack of fruit, veg and salad stuff

StructuredChaos · 28/02/2026 22:23

You know, all there is on here now is bloated bragging or criticism of other people's lives.
God forbid someone desires a conversation or a reasoned debate about a topic.

I was hoping for a decent discussion about the gut biome, or perhaps a few tips on scientific research, etc.

Now we have 3 page arguments about what is in other people's fucking supermarket trolleys.

I imagine the concept of an educated, measured discussion on here is dead.

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