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To be so glad WFH became a thing (and to absolutely hate anyone who tries to curtail its availability)

414 replies

Designless · 22/02/2026 09:55

It's just life changingly good

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gannett · 22/02/2026 21:23

Binus · 22/02/2026 17:21

Absolutely. As a non-Londoner, I now have access to much more in the way of training opportunities. People starting out in my sector now who are outside the south east can now benefit so much more from expertise being available online.

And it goes deeper than that too. People who are just looking for any office type job but who live remotely, or in towns where there's nothing much, also benefit.

Even as a Londoner, WFH broadened my access - it enabled me to network internationally, not just in London. I work for an international company which didn't employ anyone in the UK until I pitched for the creation of a specific role here, which could obviously only be done WFH as they didn't (and still don't) have office space in the UK.

SP2024 · 22/02/2026 21:24

It’s handy as I can work more on the days I wfh as I don’t need to factor in the commute. But I don’t get to do any laundry, housework, pick up the kids from school etc. because I’m working! Generally longer than days I’m in the office. I don’t really get the obsessive nature of people trying to avoid going to the office or why some employers allow people to wfh with children. But it does mean I can do more work so I guess it’s good for the business overall.

RosyCam · 22/02/2026 21:26

Binus · 22/02/2026 20:59

Obviously hasn't occurred to you that some of our kids do/will benefit from the greater availability of remote working.

I accept that you'd have disliked it and your DC does now, but do you honestly not get that others will differ?

Which is why a hybrid mix is fine. With some consideration for the needs of all the workforce.

mel78y5 · 22/02/2026 21:27

RosyCam · 22/02/2026 21:26

Which is why a hybrid mix is fine. With some consideration for the needs of all the workforce.

Which is what the majority of organisations are doing. Fully remote working is not the majority of the workforce.

Designless · 22/02/2026 21:30

RosyCam · 22/02/2026 21:26

Which is why a hybrid mix is fine. With some consideration for the needs of all the workforce.

I think that people who "need" me to come to the office can do one tbh.

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Binus · 22/02/2026 21:32

RosyCam · 22/02/2026 21:26

Which is why a hybrid mix is fine. With some consideration for the needs of all the workforce.

Well no, because any required in person attendance excludes some people. If hybrid is your preference, fine, but don't try and tie that to a point about how remote working means some young workers have opportunities they never would've done. And those people are as much part of the workforce as anyone else, when they're allowed to be. They're just as much young workers as people who have similar characteristics to you at that age.

It can be difficult to clock this if you were someone who benefitted from the old culture, but there were always people who weren't there in the office with you because the requirement to be in that physical location excluded them.

Shinyandnew1 · 22/02/2026 21:32

RosyCam · 22/02/2026 20:44

Wait till your kids enter the workforce.

My kids have entered the work force. Very recently. They are working from home 1/2 days a week and love it. Their friends seem to be in a very similar position. They think it’s great.

BurntBroccoli · 22/02/2026 21:44

MidnightPatrol · 22/02/2026 10:06

It would be impossible for me to work full time and have the positive work-life balance I do without it.

It must be a huge factor in keeping women in work post-kids.

Everything is just so much more manageable with my 2 days WFH - 2 less stressful mornings, 2 days I can do pick ups, the ability to get some laundry done, go to the gym or park after school

This is exactly why Reform want to ban it as they would prefer women in the home baking bread and making babies…

Designless · 22/02/2026 21:49

BurntBroccoli · 22/02/2026 21:44

This is exactly why Reform want to ban it as they would prefer women in the home baking bread and making babies…

It's funny how they caper about pretending to be representatives of the Ordinary Non London Brit but actually want to punt us non Londoners all back to subservient low value job backwater status

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FreeWheezin · 22/02/2026 21:50

WFH means I get to excel at my work and be present for my DC, taking them to school and picking up. I work longer hours when WFH because I dont take breaks and start/finish a little earlier/later. Then, I can home cook a meal for DC before I pick them up from after school club. I love my job so I dont take the piss, and neither does anyone I work for. Everyone is a high performer. WfH treats employees like adults. If someone isn't hitting objectives thats a problem wherever they are located and should be dealt with as such.

Edit to add: any party that cares about the family should be pro- WFH

TheBestThingthatAlmostHappened · 23/02/2026 00:06

RosyCam · 22/02/2026 20:48

I’m talking about my child’s real life experience working in the City now. They go to work hoping to talk to partners and seniors about issues and then find that they are the only one in. They are not the only young person experiencing this. And they are independent, hardworking and keen to learn.

It is interesting how people can’t see the impact on the younger generation, whilst acknowledging the advantages to themselves.

I was also talking about my real life experience. The partners and seniors wouldn't be interested in having chats with your child even if they were in, unless they had a boring admin task they didn't want to do. If it's not worth the bother of them booking a Teams call, then it's not worth the bother of them being interrupted.

Designless · 23/02/2026 00:14

TheBestThingthatAlmostHappened · 23/02/2026 00:06

I was also talking about my real life experience. The partners and seniors wouldn't be interested in having chats with your child even if they were in, unless they had a boring admin task they didn't want to do. If it's not worth the bother of them booking a Teams call, then it's not worth the bother of them being interrupted.

Yeah some keen beans think they're the centre of everyone's universe for some reason

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TheBestThingthatAlmostHappened · 23/02/2026 00:16

Jamesblonde2 · 22/02/2026 17:10

How insular and depressing. I always thought humans were generally social beings. I can see some fell from a different tree.

I think it's more depressing to think that all your socialising happens at work. Do you not have any friends that aren't only spending time with you because they are being paid?

Beesandhoney123 · 23/02/2026 00:56

No one is going to go into the office in the city instead of wfh to enable new starters and young people not reporting to them to discuss their issues:)

The bosses in my city job had their own lift and longe area to avoid employees like that, back when everyone worked in the office. If one did come out of the hallowed floor, it was only because he/ she needed some menial task doing and their assistant was hiding.

TempestTost · 23/02/2026 02:30

YABU.

It's great if this has worked out well for you.

But the person who pays you to work is entirely within their rights to have the job located in a particular place according to their own preferences and what they see to be the best interests of their business.

withoutapaddl · 23/02/2026 02:38

So very true and agree fully! My role involves travel but my diary is mostly mine to plan. I try to condense my travel into a couple of days, which means they are fast paced, and then have my other days WFH to record everything and write up etc. it’s life changing for me. I wouldn’t be able to work full time otherwise. I’m so much more productive, my work life balance is much better, I eat better etc.

TempestTost · 23/02/2026 02:39

Designless · 22/02/2026 17:02

So...? Should I go and work in a bean tinning factory because some people do that? But then what about the bean harvesters out in the fields exposed to the elements???

You are speaking like a child.

Do you think bean tinners love that work and chose it because they really feel fulfilled by it? Dreamed of tinning more beans than anyone ever, in their youth?

Most of them do it because it's the work they can get, it's regular, and factory work is usually reasonably remunerated with pretty good benefits. But it also typically involves boredom, a lot of standing, very long shifts, among other things.

Similarly, you can take any job available to you that meets your preferences, but if there is not a job that meets your preferences, then you will have to take what is available, unless you are very lucky and don't really need the money.

And employers do not need to offer wfh jobs if they don't think it is good for their business.

If you think you can run a company better, you can become self-employed and set your own terms. But you can't make someone create a job according to your personal preferences.

TempestTost · 23/02/2026 02:45

Cakeandcardio · 22/02/2026 17:09

The world has changed but it does make you realise that some people really are so stuck in their ways that they cannot imagine anything different. It's the same with the 8 hour day - such an arbitrary number but people are adamant that 8 hours is the exact time everyone needs to do their work 😅

Do you know why there is an 8 hour day?

Employers used to routinely make people work for much longer shifts. Limits to work days were in large part in response to workers rights campaigns and advocacy - that was deemed long enough for workday that an employer could afford to pay an amount that could support a person to live, while also allowing workers to have reasonable home and personal lives.

Employers are generally paying for your time. If you work less, they will then want to pay you less. No one wants to pay a full days wage for 4 hours of work.

Designless · 23/02/2026 02:52

TempestTost · 23/02/2026 02:39

You are speaking like a child.

Do you think bean tinners love that work and chose it because they really feel fulfilled by it? Dreamed of tinning more beans than anyone ever, in their youth?

Most of them do it because it's the work they can get, it's regular, and factory work is usually reasonably remunerated with pretty good benefits. But it also typically involves boredom, a lot of standing, very long shifts, among other things.

Similarly, you can take any job available to you that meets your preferences, but if there is not a job that meets your preferences, then you will have to take what is available, unless you are very lucky and don't really need the money.

And employers do not need to offer wfh jobs if they don't think it is good for their business.

If you think you can run a company better, you can become self-employed and set your own terms. But you can't make someone create a job according to your personal preferences.

... You aren't making a logical argument here.

Employers need to offer desirable working conditions or their businesses will deservedly fold.

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EsperTillus · 23/02/2026 03:10

Designless · 22/02/2026 21:30

I think that people who "need" me to come to the office can do one tbh.

Agreed. If it’s been proven that the work can be done remotely, I struggle to take it seriously when leadership insist that office days are “necessary”. Why is it necessary? So that the Team Leader can go around leaving a packet of Haribo’s on everyone’s desk to celebrate 10 years since Julie from HR joined the company?!

They’ve presumably hired us as they trust us as a functioning, productive and professional adults. In my cell centre role, I answer 70 calls a day whether I’m at home or in the office. My stats and customer feedback are among the best in the team. Why the insistence that I come in twice a week when I’m already proven to be a reliable member of staff? There’s no operational need for it, Our department is so busy that even on office days we don’t have time to chat to our colleagues- we’re all snowed under with phone calls. The structure of the day is exactly the same on office days as it is on home days - you log in, take calls in between your breaks and then log off. Any team meetings or trainings are held over Teams with everyone wearing headsets, even if we’re all sat next to each other in the office. When I need support from a manager on a complex call, I have to message them on Teams, even if they are sat next to me in the office! This is so we have a “record” of everything. It’s fecking ridiculous.

Then you have incidents with people running in who come in 20 minutes late breathless and looking disheveled because the train got delayed, and they get bollocked and told “you need to get an earlier train” (despite already leaving the house well over an hour before the shift starts, and if the train is only once every hour like mine is then they’d have to leave the house 2 hours before and hang around to avoid being late). This reduces morale because the staff member knows damn well their job can be done from home as they do it 3x a week without issue.

In a business where there is a genuine operational need for some days to be in office, then I understand it completely. I also understand if companies want people in during the probation period. But I think in cases when the work can be done from home, and there’s no genuine operational need for people to be in the office, the apron strings should be cut somewhat. If the person’s performance drops (this can be monitored through systems), then by all means maybe call them back in for a bit.

If you want me in once a month to touch base and make sure I’m still around and haven’t buggered off to the Maldives and trained an AI to do my job, then fair enough. But you don’t need to see me twice a week.

Employees appreciate being treated like adults, not schoolchildren.

socialdilemmawhattodo · 23/02/2026 03:41

Designless · 22/02/2026 16:50

Who the hell are you to disagree with me being happy and productive in my work? Do you think it's immoral to earn money from something that doesn't make the worker miserable?

I agree with @Viviennemary. To answer your curt reply. What is immoral is the large number of employees who claim to be "working" from home, yet are clearly doing any thing but working. The delays in the public sector to DVLA, Tax, Land Registry etc outputs are disgraceful. No accountability or responsibility. The recent case in the Police with faking of keyboard activity. As a customer I would like the person I am talking to to deal with my call, not their dog, children, parcels etc. You , like many others on this thread, want wfh because you are doing house/life chores at the same time as your job. I don't want to pay for that - your convenience, not my service.

Binus · 23/02/2026 06:58

socialdilemmawhattodo · 23/02/2026 03:41

I agree with @Viviennemary. To answer your curt reply. What is immoral is the large number of employees who claim to be "working" from home, yet are clearly doing any thing but working. The delays in the public sector to DVLA, Tax, Land Registry etc outputs are disgraceful. No accountability or responsibility. The recent case in the Police with faking of keyboard activity. As a customer I would like the person I am talking to to deal with my call, not their dog, children, parcels etc. You , like many others on this thread, want wfh because you are doing house/life chores at the same time as your job. I don't want to pay for that - your convenience, not my service.

How much more would you be willing to pay for the office based staff that you want? That's in tax for public sector, and in extra costs for private sector services that you use.

gannett · 23/02/2026 07:03

socialdilemmawhattodo · 23/02/2026 03:41

I agree with @Viviennemary. To answer your curt reply. What is immoral is the large number of employees who claim to be "working" from home, yet are clearly doing any thing but working. The delays in the public sector to DVLA, Tax, Land Registry etc outputs are disgraceful. No accountability or responsibility. The recent case in the Police with faking of keyboard activity. As a customer I would like the person I am talking to to deal with my call, not their dog, children, parcels etc. You , like many others on this thread, want wfh because you are doing house/life chores at the same time as your job. I don't want to pay for that - your convenience, not my service.

Could it possibly be that well-publicised funding cuts in the public sector have a greater impact on efficiency than WFH?! Or are we doing that British thing of never blaming the system if someone, somewhere might be slacking off slightly.

Not that any of this is relevant to me as I don't work in any of the roles you mentioned. Please feel free to explain how my private-sector role - which both myself and my employer agree is best performed by me WFH - is an affront to your professional ethics.

falalalaa · 23/02/2026 07:12

@socialdilemmawhattodothe government are hoping to replace lot of these public sector jobs with AI in coming years so they will have plenty of time to do their washing when they’ve been made redundant.

Binus · 23/02/2026 07:14

gannett · 23/02/2026 07:03

Could it possibly be that well-publicised funding cuts in the public sector have a greater impact on efficiency than WFH?! Or are we doing that British thing of never blaming the system if someone, somewhere might be slacking off slightly.

Not that any of this is relevant to me as I don't work in any of the roles you mentioned. Please feel free to explain how my private-sector role - which both myself and my employer agree is best performed by me WFH - is an affront to your professional ethics.

Heavens no, it can't possibly be anything to do with funding cuts!

But yes, it's interesting how many people's conception of remote work starts and ends at customer service. There are so many of us whose jobs simply do not involve taking phone calls from random members of the public.