To stop nurse from giving me an Iv flush?

[EachandEveryone]

I don’t know maybe I was. I don’t gel with her anyway she’s a band 4 with no sense of personal space. This morning she woke me up with her face in mine it really made me jump. Them proceeded to
hrlp me sit up o am not a complete invalid and she had me in a hold right next to her bust. I literally shouted that police song Don’t Stamd so close to me. She’s been on am hour and now she’s been in 9 times. Jesus I have to
jsve a shower and it’s her I’ve asked for some omelet as well.

Sou picc line needed flushing she went off and drew something up and tried to flush I syopprd her straight away and said she wasn’t qualified to flush long lines and I don’t know what was in it. She said she’s qualified on her own country for years. I’m a nurse, the band five came in flushed it and said the four can flush as she’s qualified at home. Am o wrong then? They are all lovely and trying their best but I just thought I don’t know what I are putting on me and it needs to be done sterile.

i will have a think about the personal space thing as it’s a difficult one she could be horrible to me

@EachandEveryone So sorry that you are being upset by this nurse! Try and speak to the band 7 and tell them your complaint. Hope you get some rest today .Sending a hug 💕

I read a closet self appointed SJW here.

The woman’s qualifications abroad are irrelevant. She is employed as a band 4 which is HCA level and below the level expected to manage PICCs. The fact that some NHS trusts use HCAs as cheap Band 5+ doesn’t change that.

If she is employed as a Band 4 the checks would be for qualifications expected for a Band 4. As PP point out, someone may be a consultant surgeon abroad but if they take a job at a junior level, that will be the level of experience checked.

Sick people deserve dignity and respect - the OP has already communicated to them that she finds the attention intrusive and the HCA has declined to listen to them. A sick patient in pain should not have to jump through hoops to have basic care and dignity from staff.

You are absolutely NOT being unreasonable. The people on here saying that you are clearly have no idea about the implications of underqualified staff messing with your central line.

You do whatever you feel you need to to stay safe. You absolutely should not let anyone less with your central line if you are concerned that they are under qualified.

And no, being qualified in your home country doesn’t count.

I am a 6 and I would be very happy for you to question me if you weren’t sure.

I’m so sorry you’re having a difficult time. Ask to speak to the sister/nurse in charge and say you don’t want that particular 4 involved in your care in the future.

I hope things improve soon 💐

I agreed with the fact she should discuss the IV flush with the staff. That isn't in question.

I have empathy but it works both ways. The OP is being rude to the nurse about other things (and quite rude to people here asking questions as they aren't in the profession).

Maybe the stoma bag is paediatric, would a adult bag stay on with an emptying port. Whoever supplied the bag needs to order more. The sippy cup is a non issue, maybe it's all they had at the time, but when you're ill and stressed minor things become exaggerated and everything seems to go wrong.

A band 4 isn’t a nurse so she isn’t being rude to ‘the nurse.’

Shes being (rightfully) rude to an underqualified staff member doing procedures that are incredibly dangerous in the wrong hands, who has not backed off when challenged.

I’d be bloody rude too. OP has every right.

So sorry for what you are going through.
I'm a RN as well, they should be flushing the PICC line under sterile conditions.
Especially when you are immuno-compromised.
You are right to insist on this and speak to someone senior.
Just because someone can do something " in their own country "- they should not just be allowed to go ahead here.
I don't know where you are but I've only came across a few band 4s where I am and they weren't allowed to give IVs.

They should have been assessed and given training in this hospital to ensure they are competent.
This has happened to me starting in a new hospital even though I'd been giving IV drugs for years.

Hoping you are soon feeling a bit better and things improve.

You’re not alone, I have never ever worked in a trust where band 4s can touch IVs.

Differant bands have different coloured uniforms now. They were changed a while ago.

Well the OP called her a nurse in the bloody thread title...

Again, no issues with telling her not to do the procedure. But shouting at her not to stand so close and complaining about the cup she got of tea plus complaining about the "Band 4" trying to help her up. There's very easy ways of saying "I don't need help, thanks" or "I can manage a proper cup"

She's well able to go on Mumsnet complaining but can't voice that she's more capable than obviously the staff think?

OP is obviously ill, let’s not pick apart her every word hey?

Do you think OP should keep quiet when feeling incredibly uncomfortable at being manhandled without consent? To avoid hurting feelings?

You obviously have no idea what you’re talking about so if I were you, I’d stop. All you are doing is increasing the upset for this poor woman who is ill in hospital. Have some compassion.

I totally agree and I hate the attitude of they're just doing their job so don't question. We have a right to ask questions about our care and disagree with anything we're unhappy with. Telling people not to do that is what allows medical abuse to happen.

Tell me you've never been in hospital with cancer and an infection without telling me you've never been in hospital with cancer and an infection.

I told an HCA to fuck off and leave me alone once. I won't go into all the details but she had done three things which could have caused serious problems.

This thread is scaring me. I'm due to have a PICC line fitted in about three weeks' time and after that I will be an inpatient and possibly completely incapacitated, (both physically and mentally,) for a while, so I will be completely at the mercy of the staff.

YANBU, a Band 4 cannot flush a PICC line.
Also, yes, if you work in healthcare you can tell what band someone is. A bit worrying that she said it was ok because was was allowed in her own country.

Sending you ALL the love OP. I hope you feel more comfortable and get some resolution soon. You are amazing. 💐

I currently have a picc line and I have found that outside of the chemo units and wards staff are not confident in dealing with them. Given that it is direct access to a vein, I agree that it is very stressful if you don’t have trust that the person working with it knows exactly what they are doing.

I may be wrong, but I believe staff are required to complete a specific course before dealing with picc lines.

OP I hope you feel better soon

YANBU. Hospitals have grades for a reason. The nurse may be qualified in a different country but if she isn't that grade here then you don't have peace of mind and the hospital are exposed if there is an adverse outcome.

Sorry you are having such a rough time.

band 4 nursing associates can flush an IV and do everything except give morphine

edit. Seen it’s a picc line. Not a chance would they be able to flush that

Really, can they give antibiotics, chemo, blood, fluids, take bloods?

I could not care less if you agree or not. I am right and the OP is right, as are all the other qualified nurses on this post. Stop accusing @EachandEveryone💕 of being rude FFS. She is quite entitled to her views and they are not at all unreasonable. Who do you think you are anyway? Calling a very ill person rude. That is the height of bad manners. You sound like a cunt. Is that rude enough for you?

Omg @BudgetBuster you are disgusting.

Are you actually saying that a distressed woman with cancer who is rightly questioning her substandard and dangerous care, is being ‘a cunt’?

You are an absolutely disgusting specimen. You should be ashamed of yourself.

@EachandEveryone 💕
I am sorry that there are some bloody hideous people on this thread that obviously have no idea what you are going through.
I wish I lived nearer you and would visit and advocate for you, I know you are more than capable of doing this yourself, but when you are ill it is so wearing. Sending you lots of love

I wouldn’t know what banding a nurse was, I’d only be able to tell if they were a HCA, nurse or doctor. However if you feel uncomfortable with the band 4, you are free to ask for someone else.

No... I agreed with her questioning the care.

I said there was no need for her nastiness about other aspects (complaining about the teacup, shouting at the nurse trying to help her get up, and being arsey to people who asked valid questions early in this thread).
I don't think it's reasonable to want respect whilst not giving it back.

I've said throughout that she should escalate the IV flush issue with more senior staff if she is unhappy with the care and suggested she also ask for a 2nd qualified staff member to be there for medical procedures if that would help.