To think that those terrified of Reform/Restore vastly overestimate the power parliament actually has?

[BlueJuniper94]

Just as the title says. The fear mongering is intense at the moment but I think people could surely find peace if they looked closer at what our parliament is actually capable of (not much, ask u-turn Kier) there's the Lords, Human Rights law, and the massive unelected bureaucracy which will thwart every effort made by these parties if they do find themselves with enough of a majority. It just won't happen. Look how watered now Meloni is now that she is, to the disappointment of many who voted for her I am sure.

There also seems to be a contradiction, Farage and Lowe are frequently reffered to as populists, populism defined as empty rhetoric without delivery. If you truly believe this, there is nothing to fear. It's all hot air. Anyone who gets close to power will find themselves absorbed into the uniparty or captured as containment.

But will we be in a society that values women if we let right wing men dominate policy making? Look at the right to abortion being withdrawn in US states, is that the type of thing you want to see happen in the UK?

Yeap then there was Liz Truss who killed the queen and crashed the economy in a week, then Reeves with the massive this is fully costed no more tax rises. I don't think we really need to worry about Reform and more than we do the legacy 20th century parties.

Because the left with their transactivism and turning a blind eye to rape gangs are a better option?

Ahh. So this is an anti left pro reform thread ?

No. A left that doesn't support trans activism and takes action to bring all perpetrators of crimes against women to justice is the better option. As a left wing person I don't agree with everything left wing parties have done with regards to women's rights. But it would an act of idiocy to start supporting a right wing party that promises to be even worse, and racist and detrimental to the less well off to boot, rather than ally with other like minded left wing people and work towards women's rights from there.

I think people see things differently including the op. That’s ok, not everyone will be left wing anyway.

At least be honest about this.
He decided to have a referendum a because the EU would let him have his way and he spat his dummy out.

I think the death of her spouse and Andrew’s behaviour is far more likely to have hastened her end than anything Truss did. And I deeply dislike Liz Truss!

Actually - economically I am probably more left than most Labour voters.

Thankfully.

No, it’s just a thread with people who don’t all share the same opinions as you.

Of course they're not. But I am. I'm a left wing feminist and I'm responding to the either/or statement made by the OP, as though the equal opposite to Restore/Reform is trans activism and turning a blind eye to grooming gangs. Which is reductive and ridiculous.
I'm not denying that left wing parties have left a lot to be desired when it comes to women's issues. But I'm looking at the big picture.
My feminism isn't just for white privileged women. It includes black and brown women and financially and socially disadvantaged women. The right wing parties the OP is holding up as 'no worse than the left' have not only disclosed policies that directly undermine all women's rights, but also bring with them an ideology which would cause great harm to women who are not white; and to lower income women, who are disproportionately likely to depend on health services and the welfare state. Disabled women, women who are ill or old and not wealthy, who are carers. All stand to lose out if these parties come to power.
A left who doesn't get it right for women all the time is better than a right that doesn't even make a pretence of benefitting any but white privileged women. And even then, its only if its a by product of benefitting white men.

Tory austerity measures made a lot of difference to a lot of people in fact.

Labour have made a lot of difference to pensioners - and not in a good way. I guess they’re not the core voting base though, which probably explains why.

Do you know much about Denmark’s policies? Ok if not, but they seem to be combining a mix that could be closer to what you’d like? A question as I haven’t read the thread fully

I wonder if it’s because of the assumption that pensioners are largely Conservative voters? It’s something I read a lot and find strange, as amongst the people I know who are over 70 it’s not the case for most.

Very familiar with Denmark and something like that would be a vast improvement here

Labour’s hypocrisy is too much on this, eg spending the first part of the term ramping up rhetoric and insulting people, I’m not sure they’ll get those voters back.

But I can see without that hypocrisy the Danish leader is doing well with a combination closer to what you want.

I think people conflate it with the fact that overwhelmingly it is pensioners who actually vote as an age bracket - so when we get repeated Conservative UK governments (as was the case until relatively recently) the two get bundled together?

It’s empty rhetoric now becuase they aren’t in power. It won’t be if they’re elected.

i do agree they’ll u turn on lots due to constraints, both legal & finanacial.

they campaigned hard on the 20k tax threshold and withdrew that insanely quickly, so there’ll definitely be more in that vein, but I’d rather not put them in charge to find out.