To think that those terrified of Reform/Restore vastly overestimate the power parliament actually has?

[BlueJuniper94]

Just as the title says. The fear mongering is intense at the moment but I think people could surely find peace if they looked closer at what our parliament is actually capable of (not much, ask u-turn Kier) there's the Lords, Human Rights law, and the massive unelected bureaucracy which will thwart every effort made by these parties if they do find themselves with enough of a majority. It just won't happen. Look how watered now Meloni is now that she is, to the disappointment of many who voted for her I am sure.

There also seems to be a contradiction, Farage and Lowe are frequently reffered to as populists, populism defined as empty rhetoric without delivery. If you truly believe this, there is nothing to fear. It's all hot air. Anyone who gets close to power will find themselves absorbed into the uniparty or captured as containment.

So you'd rather be abused and exploited by white men, than take the chance that your fever dream where the powerful white men who've been in charge here forever, are usurped by brown and black men from other countries comes true?

Parliament does have power, but there are always governments that some don’t like.

We all get on with it, it ends, and then we get onto the next lot that some don’t like. 🙄

When was it enacted?

I want to know what @BlueJuniper94 thinks is going to happen to all of the black and brown men who are already here, given that she seems so convinced that they are a danger to women.

Is the grand plan to remove them all prior to removing women's legal rights? How is that going to work, exactly? Will you be removing people who have already been granted indefinite leave to remain? What about those who have British citizenship?

And what about the white misogynists? Will they be deported before women's rights are removed, or will they get to stay and discriminate? Or perhaps you think they don't exist?

You're arguing to get rid of rights without actually having any knowledge of the history of how they came into being, or what life was like for women before the legislation was introduced?

Actually it was twats voting to leave the EU for spurious reasons that took us out of the EU.

Assuming all Reform MPs would vote with the whip (which I do) they only need a majority of one.

I’m pretty sure Farage does, whether he admits it or not. Many of his followers do.

A majority of 1 is sufficient. If the vote is split between five main parties then a vote share of 21% for the biggest party is enough to win every seat in the house. Why are you airily dismissing this?

He certainly opposed same sex marriage at one point.

And he has had quite a few openly homophobic people representing his various parties over the years - remember the nutter who claimed that terrible floods had been caused by the legalisation of gay marriage?

I presume that she doesn't fully understand how our system of government works. A bit like she doesn't seem to understand the function of legislation.

You're just over complicating things now.
The most important thing is to protect (white) women from (black and brown) mysogynists. All the black and brown women and children who will suffer, and all the white misogynists who will gain even greater power over women, well, no plans perfect, is it?

So OP, you started this thread with, and I quote: " The fear mongering is intense at the moment ....".

And now you are fear mongering with the great replacement theory ?

How ridiculous.

Well, quite.

But I still don't understand the inconsistency of the OP's position. If she is genuinely worried about the great replacement theory and becoming a minority in this country, or indeed about a growth in the number of people who are hostile towards women, then why on earth would she be supporting a party that is proposing to remove the very legislation that would help to protect her in that scenario? It makes no sense!!

Well, quite.

Is this not pretty much the MAGA message ?

Vote for us, sign away all your rights, because if you don't the "foreigners and trans folk" will take over.

But this one has a slightly different spin. If Farage is elected he won't have the power to do what he says, but if he is not elected the "Muslims and Trans" will take over..

A clever bit of spin I admit. But easy to see through.

What makes you think he won’t have the power? With a majority of one and a loyal set of MPs he could do whatever he wanted.

It is just a variation on the MAGA message, yes. And that wasn't logical either!

And it's shocking that people look at what's going on in the US but apparently feel no concern for how things might play out here if we follow a similar path.

As I keep saying, I can't figure out if this blindness is down to stupidity or some much more nefarious purpose.

It is the OP that proposes he wont have power.

I, on the other hand, do know Parliament has all the power.

Sorry. Still can’t read that in your post 🤷‍♀️

That would be good. People’s interpretations of what that means and how to get there probably differ but as a line I’m not sure it can not be wanted.

I DO know, I was being rhetorical

Ah right, thanks for clarifying.

And were you "being rhetorical" as a means of dodging the question or for some other reason?

I’m probably just as scared of the Greens getting in as I am of Reform/ Restore tbh - they are full of extremists and want to remove our nuclear deterrent which is what the Ukraine did before they were invaded by Russia.