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Our car storage strategy in the UK is a joke. AIBU?

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JacquesHarlow · 20/02/2026 10:21

Note: I'll put the disclaimers at the end of the thread to try and mitigate against the usual "never seen this before OP, you sound overly invested" gaslighters.

AIBU to think that for a small island with a rapidly growing population, our approach to car storage and parking is ... well, a joke?

And that we need to start restricting street parking somehow to stop the households who have three or four cars on the street, making life a misery for others and for visitors?

Hear me out please for a minute.

I admit I have mainly lived in suburbs or zone of major cities. And today, I have a driveway that can park 5 or 6 cars.

However in the nine places I've lived, and the many places I've visited, you see the same things:

  • It doesn't matter if it's a street of semi-detached 4 beds, or a row of Victorian terraces, or a new build estate: you find houses not using driveways, parking cars nose to nose, often on kerbs.
  • Even if a house has a driveway, the British driver's strange attitude to owning the street in front of their house, means they'd rather park on the road instead of the driveway. Meaning more congestion on the kerbside, fewer places for visitors etc.
  • And let's face it, many can't even reverse onto the driveway or pilot their car with enough skill to use it
  • Away from driveways, I have visited streets with HMOs where friends are tearing their hair out, people with 7 cars to one house. Imagine what happens to street parking then..
  • Or it doesn't even need to be an HMO. Billy big balls can buy vintage pick up trucks and line them up on the street nose to nose and take all available parking. As long as you're within the permit structure, or if no CPZ, then all the cars are taxed and MOT'd? Then you're fine to have as many cars as you want on the street
  • Finally, people who have three or four cars, tend to have the "advantage" in situations like this. They usually have one or two cars "in place", so if parking is tight, they can (and do) "shuffle things" around to ensure they keep their road positions.

So, AIBU to suggest another way? Can we limit the number of cars owned to two a household on a street, and with a designated storage place needing to be named for anything over 2 cars? Should all suburban streets have some form of visitor permits so that people aren't parking three streets away because big Billy has to be able to see his pickups from his window at all times? Can we have proper enforcement from councils to ensure wheelchair users, buggies, young people can actually traverse our streets without having to brush past metal which has taken up part of the kerb?

We're a small island with a lot of history. We weren't designed to have two rows of cars parked down either side of suburban and urban roads, with delivery drivers racing towards nervous nellies who then refuse to reverse.

We are however horribly in denial about parking. Councils are addicted to the revenue, or ignore the problems if they do exist, knowing that there's little or no alternative.

All I see on threads like these in the past are people saying

  • "My eldest daughter uses her car for work, I use mine, so does my DH, and we have something fun for the weekends. I have every right to my four cars on the street. YABU"
  • "You're advocating for 15 minute cities, you will own nothing and be happy, you're a communist, YABU"

Why are we so addicted to car use to the point where anything now goes?

AIBU to ask for a more forward thinking solution to car ownership, where people aren't owning five cars on one small suburban street, without a driveway? Surely car ownership is far too cheap if that's an option for any regular Joe.

What do you think...AIBU?

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RawBloomers · 20/02/2026 21:31

Panicatthegarden · 20/02/2026 21:09

Where I live there are lots of terraced housing with tiny front gardens but would be big enough to park a car on, roads are also very congested. I think the council should waive the dropped kerb fee or offer a way to get it done for a reduced cost for these properties

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A one car drive does little for the surrounding community, it provides dedicated space for that home owner, but removes a space from the street that anyone could use. It also increases council costs in pavement maintenance.

Why should they drop the fee?

Labamba78 · 20/02/2026 21:32

Councils (at least in London) are also going about this totally incorrectly and adding to the issues with their “low car” developments that don’t provide adequate parking or issue local parking permits. Nearby to me they have built literally hundreds of flats with no parking provisions, but it’s totally unrealistic that some people won’t still own cars. Public transport doesn’t solve everything even in London, particularly in zone 5 where we are. This has meant huge overspill into surrounding streets either illegally or during non-permit hours such as all weekend, or using visitor permits which they can still be issued. It’s a nightmare.
They need to accept that people will still use cars and stripping away parking completely from new developments is not going to stop this. It’s all getting so much worse!

likelysuspect · 20/02/2026 21:52

MikeRafone · 20/02/2026 16:40

There are initiatives to get parents cycling to school with their children, but the premise is that they don't have to do it every day - it's not an all or nothing. Many people on this type of thread think that you have to choose one type of transport and stick to it, "if you cycle then you have to cycle for every trip" thats really not the case

Most people doing the school drop off are mums, mums who do the grunt work of childcare/school liason and drop offs and then go on to work, because we can have it all.

So you've cycled along a death trap (cambered pot holed detritus strewn road in the gutter) with your child wobbling on the back and then you need to go on to work, god knows where and along god knows what road.

Again, its the luxury of time that is assumed here. Let alone the safety aspect.

KittenKins · 20/02/2026 22:29

My neighbour has a severe disability & her team drive her large Motability van. It won't fit in her tiny garage on our new build estate. Her space is usually used by her support team, her van parks behind it over the drop kerb that was added for her. If she doesn't do this neighbours block her from getting into or out of her own house.

Twice daily her team swop over so an additional car, & the neighbours lose their minds about her having so many cars associated with her address. This is amplified by her being in social housing, unlike her privately owned neighbours. Many of those brought homes knowing there wasn't enough parking.

She cannot use public transport, she needs her car, as do her team. Not everyone has the luxury to swap transport options or move.

Flamingojune · 20/02/2026 22:48

likelysuspect · 20/02/2026 21:52

Most people doing the school drop off are mums, mums who do the grunt work of childcare/school liason and drop offs and then go on to work, because we can have it all.

So you've cycled along a death trap (cambered pot holed detritus strewn road in the gutter) with your child wobbling on the back and then you need to go on to work, god knows where and along god knows what road.

Again, its the luxury of time that is assumed here. Let alone the safety aspect.

Cycling can be the fastest way

Ninerainbows · 20/02/2026 22:51

likelysuspect · 20/02/2026 21:52

Most people doing the school drop off are mums, mums who do the grunt work of childcare/school liason and drop offs and then go on to work, because we can have it all.

So you've cycled along a death trap (cambered pot holed detritus strewn road in the gutter) with your child wobbling on the back and then you need to go on to work, god knows where and along god knows what road.

Again, its the luxury of time that is assumed here. Let alone the safety aspect.

I'd have to buy a shed to store a bike in (and lay a flat patch of concrete or something to put the shed on as it's all currently slate), cycle to school, cycle home (probably soaked) and then get in the car to drive to work - motorway commute. I would also have to pay for breakfast club every day to do so. No thank you.

Flamingojune · 20/02/2026 22:57

RawBloomers · 20/02/2026 19:19

I agree. I wasn't saying this is the future I think would be great. I was saying that the idea that autonomous cars as a ride share service is are just going to replace ownership is highly unlikely. (I also think that autonomous vehicles are likely to massively increase traffic on the roads, even if ride sharing proved cheap enough to become the default).

The additional costs with autonomous cars in a ride sharing scenario are all the support people they have to maintain to sort out problems when things go wrong with the service side of things. I've used the Waymo service a bit in the US and had to speak with support several times. That will get better, but it's not going to disappear. Also, if it's a service, there's continuous profit we will all have to cover. People also tend not to look after things they don't own in the same way and can't absorb the costs of cleaning and repairing by doing it themselves. There doesn't seem to be a huge amount in the way of savings. Zip car and its ilk have struggled to achieve profitability because maintenance of vehicles is expensive when you have to pay someone a wage to do all the noticing and checking and cleaning. No one's even tried to cover commuters because you need so many cars for the peak surges that will not get used at all during the rest of the day that it doesn't make economic sense. So it's easy for the service costs to be higher than potential savings on sharing.

As to what do you store in a box on the road - as standard at various points in the last few decades: car seats, buggies, sports equipment, coat and wellies, blanket, shopping bags, sunscreen, paracetamol, hobby equipment. And then when I drive somewhere for an appointment or a day trip, etc. Lunch, rain coat/umbrella just in case, shopping, change of clothes, etc. Storage box on the road can be very handy.

Yes traffic is a huge issue. I'm just saying ride share and autonomous vehicles won't really change that.

So everyone owing and running their own individual car is cheaper than car sharing? And as for this need to store stuff in a car, how do non car owners cope?

Paul2023 · 20/02/2026 23:06

Flamingojune · 20/02/2026 16:32

And there are no 'nutters' behind the wheels of cars?

Yes but the point is the poster wouldn’t be stuck on a train carriage with no way of getting out when stuck with people on drugs or drunk. Anti social behaviour does happen on trans sadly.

Being in your own is safer , obviously you have control of what you can do.

RawBloomers · 20/02/2026 23:51

Flamingojune · 20/02/2026 22:57

So everyone owing and running their own individual car is cheaper than car sharing? And as for this need to store stuff in a car, how do non car owners cope?

Non car owners cope by having more hassle or not doing the things car owners do. I’m not suggesting it’s necessary just pointing out that it’s a major plus for car owners that most ride sharing does not meet.

And yes, owning a car and running can be a lot less expensive than the proportion costs and overheads involved in running a fleet and making a profit. Obviously if your private car is a Ferrari or if you buy new and upgrade every few years, you might see cost savings switching to an autonomous Uber service but on average, private ownership wins for most people.

Where autonomous vehicles might be able to improve traffic is if autonomous busses were deployed as public transport (with appropriate subsidies to keep costs down).

RawBloomers · 20/02/2026 23:54

Paul2023 · 20/02/2026 23:06

Yes but the point is the poster wouldn’t be stuck on a train carriage with no way of getting out when stuck with people on drugs or drunk. Anti social behaviour does happen on trans sadly.

Being in your own is safer , obviously you have control of what you can do.

You’re more likely to die in a private car than on public transport in the Uk, so not sure “safer” is the correct term.

Ninerainbows · 20/02/2026 23:54

RawBloomers · 20/02/2026 23:51

Non car owners cope by having more hassle or not doing the things car owners do. I’m not suggesting it’s necessary just pointing out that it’s a major plus for car owners that most ride sharing does not meet.

And yes, owning a car and running can be a lot less expensive than the proportion costs and overheads involved in running a fleet and making a profit. Obviously if your private car is a Ferrari or if you buy new and upgrade every few years, you might see cost savings switching to an autonomous Uber service but on average, private ownership wins for most people.

Where autonomous vehicles might be able to improve traffic is if autonomous busses were deployed as public transport (with appropriate subsidies to keep costs down).

I'm not sure people realise that existing car share services like Zipcar, such as they are, charge you a monthly subscription and then you pay for the rides on top per mile. It's not PAYG.

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 21/02/2026 00:23

Cars to some extent l can cope with. But camper vans are my bugbear. Take up so much space and are always in addition to other cars. House opposite us has 3 cars and a camper. Drive holds one car.

RawBloomers · 21/02/2026 00:28

Ninerainbows · 20/02/2026 23:54

I'm not sure people realise that existing car share services like Zipcar, such as they are, charge you a monthly subscription and then you pay for the rides on top per mile. It's not PAYG.

And Zipcar has pulled out of the UK because it couldn’t make a profit (or even break even).

Glaspeated · 21/02/2026 00:51

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 21/02/2026 00:23

Cars to some extent l can cope with. But camper vans are my bugbear. Take up so much space and are always in addition to other cars. House opposite us has 3 cars and a camper. Drive holds one car.

Completely agree.

There are two further up our street and they’re totally inappropriate for a residential area. There really ought to be rules about them, particularly as they just sit there static for large chunks of the year.

MikeRafone · 21/02/2026 02:22

likelysuspect · 20/02/2026 21:52

Most people doing the school drop off are mums, mums who do the grunt work of childcare/school liason and drop offs and then go on to work, because we can have it all.

So you've cycled along a death trap (cambered pot holed detritus strewn road in the gutter) with your child wobbling on the back and then you need to go on to work, god knows where and along god knows what road.

Again, its the luxury of time that is assumed here. Let alone the safety aspect.

You realise that when the initiative have got involved they’ve shown that cycling in many cases took half the time of the car journey and took a different route to the roads the car journey took. The children are cycling not on the back of a parent’s bike. Do you know what the initiative is called?

Ninerainbows · 21/02/2026 03:08

MikeRafone · 21/02/2026 02:22

You realise that when the initiative have got involved they’ve shown that cycling in many cases took half the time of the car journey and took a different route to the roads the car journey took. The children are cycling not on the back of a parent’s bike. Do you know what the initiative is called?

I'm sure cycling a mile down a back street does take less time than a queue down a busy road (not that these are the two choices for my 9 local primaries, traffic is fine). But I have to drop my child at 8.40 and be at work 6 miles away by 9am. I will never be able to match 12 minutes to travel that distance on a bike, so I still need the car - is that not what the thread is about?

MikeRafone · 21/02/2026 04:15

Ninerainbows · 21/02/2026 03:08

I'm sure cycling a mile down a back street does take less time than a queue down a busy road (not that these are the two choices for my 9 local primaries, traffic is fine). But I have to drop my child at 8.40 and be at work 6 miles away by 9am. I will never be able to match 12 minutes to travel that distance on a bike, so I still need the car - is that not what the thread is about?

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the thread is about car storage, so finding a smaller alternative or different solution to parking issues.

5 miles in 20 minutes is possible on an ebike as they are limited to 15mph.

likelysuspect · 21/02/2026 05:58

Flamingojune · 20/02/2026 22:57

So everyone owing and running their own individual car is cheaper than car sharing? And as for this need to store stuff in a car, how do non car owners cope?

They limit their lives in quite a lot of ways

likelysuspect · 21/02/2026 06:06

MikeRafone · 21/02/2026 04:15

the thread is about car storage, so finding a smaller alternative or different solution to parking issues.

5 miles in 20 minutes is possible on an ebike as they are limited to 15mph.

I would never cycle on roads as I dont feel safe due to balance issues but I have an ebike and we go on tarmaced safe traffic free cycle routes and trails, the fastest I feel safe going at is around 10mph

Thats without traffic, without obstruction, and only in good weather we dont cycle in the wind.

All these things you keep robotically claiming are theoreticals.

Again, its a luxury to be able to do these things.

I usually need my car at lunchtime for things, or to drop off or pick up something after work so on a school run you have to have the flexibility of that, your child may have an after school club somewhere else, a visit to a friend etc.

Paul2023 · 21/02/2026 07:53

RawBloomers · 20/02/2026 23:54

You’re more likely to die in a private car than on public transport in the Uk, so not sure “safer” is the correct term.

Safer interns of not being assaulted , attacked, robbed.
I don’t mean cars are safer statistically in terms of accidents, I meant many people don’t like public transport because of the people on it.

ContentedAlpaca · 21/02/2026 08:22

Ninerainbows · 21/02/2026 03:08

I'm sure cycling a mile down a back street does take less time than a queue down a busy road (not that these are the two choices for my 9 local primaries, traffic is fine). But I have to drop my child at 8.40 and be at work 6 miles away by 9am. I will never be able to match 12 minutes to travel that distance on a bike, so I still need the car - is that not what the thread is about?

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People forget that it's not just one journey. It's dropping to school and then going to work. It's going to visit an elderly parent and getting them some necessities on the way, on the way meaning the supermarket is in the opposite direction, then rushing back home to get their child to music lessons

I can't imagine the amount of forethought and planning and simply saying no to things that not owning a car and yet living in an area with minimal public transport would demand.
I know people do it, either out of choice or necessity and those that aren't happy about it have my sympathy.

MikeRafone · 21/02/2026 08:34

likelysuspect · 21/02/2026 06:06

I would never cycle on roads as I dont feel safe due to balance issues but I have an ebike and we go on tarmaced safe traffic free cycle routes and trails, the fastest I feel safe going at is around 10mph

Thats without traffic, without obstruction, and only in good weather we dont cycle in the wind.

All these things you keep robotically claiming are theoreticals.

Again, its a luxury to be able to do these things.

I usually need my car at lunchtime for things, or to drop off or pick up something after work so on a school run you have to have the flexibility of that, your child may have an after school club somewhere else, a visit to a friend etc.

If you had to pay to park in proportion to the land value at every stop you made, then you might change, you might not but many would. As councils/governments become stepped for cash it could well happen.

Life changes, deliveroo wasn't around in 2012 but ask any 18 -24 year old what apps they have on their phone and deliveroo will be one of them. As autonomous cars are developed, apps for using them will start, if 18-24 year olds start using them then things will most probably change. In 2012, 103 billion minutes were spent on landline calls, by 2017 that figure was half and now only around 15% of people use a landline phone (people have a landline for internet) Netflix is another example of how we watch tv on demand now but in 2012 it wasn't the norm. How we do things changes and car ownership will change because storage is an issue along with cost. If peoples daily commute was costing £10 per day by private car but they could get a car on an app to take them to school and work for £7 per day, many people would choose the later.

nOlives · 21/02/2026 09:55

user6386297154 · 20/02/2026 17:38

I don’t think we will own cars in 20 years - you’ll just have an app and the driverless “uber” will appear on demand.
Certainly the politicians in charge of our area are doing all they can to discourage car usage. Congestion charges, 20mph, and endless potholes!

Are you a parent?
Every time I see this suggested I assume it is from someone who either is not a parent or is not their children's main carer and has no empathy or thought for whoever is.
Where do your child seats go when you arrive at your destination? Or do child seats not matter because you're not the driver?
I am certain the reason for height/weight/age appropriate child seats not being legally required for taxi journeys is not because they are magically safer but because it would be impossible to arrange.

Ninerainbows · 21/02/2026 10:03

nOlives · 21/02/2026 09:55

Are you a parent?
Every time I see this suggested I assume it is from someone who either is not a parent or is not their children's main carer and has no empathy or thought for whoever is.
Where do your child seats go when you arrive at your destination? Or do child seats not matter because you're not the driver?
I am certain the reason for height/weight/age appropriate child seats not being legally required for taxi journeys is not because they are magically safer but because it would be impossible to arrange.

Oh it definitely is the reason in taxis. There's no factoring in here of children who get travel sickness either. Fine, annoying but fine, in your own car. Not so much in a ride-share. Imagine the cleaning fees!

JacquesHarlow · 21/02/2026 10:05

Really appreciate everyone replying to this thread. I still believe that four or five cars to one household on a small terraced street is a land management problem.

However I recognise the thread has (naturally and inevitably) evolved to a general moratorium on car ownership

That’s fine in principle but I just wanted to share, I’m a car owner, I drive to see family, friends, hospital visits, shops etc.

I’m not advocating against car ownership.

I’m advocating against the psychological state people get into where they think owning a car for every family member is normal, and that they should be entitled to line all four or five vehicles up on a tiny road and deprive visitors or other residents of ever using any vehicle on that street.

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