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Iserino · 19/02/2026 10:13

Need some help and advice from parents with teenagers, or from parents who have been through the teen years.
In year 8, DS was part of a friendship group of 4 boys including him.
They were really close, hung out together every break/lunch at school and met up socially regularly after school, at weekends and in school holidays.
DS used to love being part of the group and always talked about how much fun he had with them.
1 of the boys, let's call him Fred, was mischievous and did a lot of things that he would get him detentions at school. His mum would refer to him as 'naughty'. In year 8 I was aware of Fred's behaviour and was monitoring DS's friendship with him closely. But DS said he was funny and made him laugh and that he was fun to be with and was full of character/charisma even though other aspects of his behaviour pushed boundaries and saw him get into trouble at school. In summer of last year they were still a close friendship group.
Then in September, starting year 9, DS went through a real step forward in development and maturity. He suddenly grew about 5 inches taller, voice deepened, and he started maturing in his views and opinions. Meanwhile, simultaneously, Fred ramped up his poor behaviour. His previous 'mischievous' behaviour turned into antisocial behaviour and DS started to dislike it. Fred started permanently disrupting lessons and DS started disliking this, coming home saying to me that loads of teaching time was being taken up by teachers managing Fred's disruptive behaviour which was stopping the teacher from teaching and causing frustration amongst the class, and DS was taking issue with this because it was impacting on his learning. Fred started acting up in class by being the class clown and deliberately winding the teachers up and trying really hard to catch DS's eye to try and get him to laugh along. But whereas in year 8 DS would have chuckled at what was then much more lower level miscievous stuff, now he doesn't want to engage with Fred doing this level of disruption in lessons because Fred's behaviour has escalated and is much worse now, and because he wants to apply himself and learn in his lessons, and because he doesn't want to be seen to be laughing along to this level of disruption. So in November DS stopped sitting next to Fred in their classes, moved seats and started ignoring Fred's loud class clown disruptive behaviour.
He says Fred is now being sent out of lessons daily. Then DS started hearing lots of other year 9 boys talking about how annoying Fred is and how much they don't like him. Fred got suspended in October for 2 days for something he did in school. Now he's just been suspended for 3 days for something else he's done. DS overheard some year 7 boys in the lunch queue talking about Fred saying they were all scared of him because he's mean to them and bullies them, and then they pointed at DS and said to each other "that's one of the Fred's friends we've seen him with him!" and DS was horrified by hearing this (he hadn't known this boy was being mean to year 7s) and was horrified by them associating him with Fred being mean to them. DS then witnessed Fred throwing stones at a year 7 girl at school, hitting her legs, which was reported. Other examples of behaviour are Fres walked into our back garden whilst he knew we were out and wrecked some of our garden property. He came along to a PTA event at DD's primary school and vandalised school property which caused uproar amongst parents. He vandalised some public toilets. There's lots of other antisocial behaviours I could list, too long to go through.
By November DS was saying he no longer wanted to be associated with Fred's behaviour because he didn't like what his behaviour had developed in to and he didn't want it to affect his own reputation. He started standing up against Fred, started calling him out when he behaved badly at school, and then consciously walked away from him.
This led to Fred's mum texting me angrily having a go at me about my DS confronting Fred and ranting about my DS moving seats away from Fred in lessons. It was a really hostile, attacking text.
DS walking away from Fred made Fred angry and in December he spent weeks leading up to Christmas bullying DS, he literally broke DS with the level of abusive personal insults and incessant bullying behaviour towards him. The things he said to DS were terrible, he used personal knowledge he had of difficulties and bullying that DS has endured in the past and used this against DS to break him emotionally. He started a smear campaign against DS and told another student that DS had called him a "F*ing immigrant c**t" when it was FRED who was going round saying this about the student concerned!!! The mother of this student reported my DS to the HofY for saying this (he didn't say it) and suddenly DS was being framed for saying something he NEVER said. It ruined Christmas for us because DS was crushed as a result of how nasty and vindictive this boy was being to him daily throughout December. He was out to tear DS down and it worked.
But DS still loves the other 2 boys who were in the friendship group. He was really close to them and really valued their friendship. Their behaviour was normal, nothing Fred's behaviour. And these 2 boys have stuck by Fred. They are still hanging out with Fred daily at school. Still socialising with him out of school.
I have explicitly told DS to stay away from Fred. No talking to him at school. No engaging with him. DS has blocked his number. I'm telling DS regularly to stay away. I have had the behaviour lead at school telling me to advise DS to stay away from Fred.
But the other 2 boys are permanently with Fred. So by avoiding Fred in school and outside of school, it means DS can't hang out with the other 2 who he still wants to be friends with, and who I don't have a problem with.
What's worse, is that these 2 boys have now taken issue with DS for 'ditching' them (in their words). They see DS as ditching them because of his problems with Fred. And they are annoyed with DS about this, because as far as they are concerned they should all 4 of them carry on hanging out together, and the other 2 are cross with DS for never hanging out with them anymore. They see DS as the one who's left all of them. I have texted one of the mums to explain the situation and have told her DS still wants to be friends with her DS it's just that he has been told by me to avoid Fred at all times which means he can't get to her DS cos they've always together, and I've tried really hard to make social plans for DS to see this other boy outside of school, but whilst she said she understood what I was saying, her DS doesn't want to meet up with my DS. I happen to know these other 2 boys (who DS wants to still be friends with) had a sleepover together last night and DS wasn't invited. This stings, because a few months ago he would have been and they boys regarded DS as their best mate.
I'm worrying that Fred is influencing these 2 away from DS. I know Fred is a liar. I've had him look me square in the eye and lie to my face when I've asked him about things in the past that I know he's done. I know he lies. He is extremely convincing. My gut feeling/instinct is telling me he's telling lies about my DS to the other 2, as payback for DS calling out his behaviour and pulling away from him.
So now I don't know if I've done the right thing in telling DS that he can't hang out with the other 2 boys IF Fred is with them. I've explicitly told him he cannot socialise with the other 2 if Fred is with them. But DS says Fred is always with them. So now it has ended up cutting him away from his other 2 friends, and he has ultimately lost their friendship too.
And now they've carrying on having fun as a 3, and DS is isolated with no friends and is spending half term alone with me. Before all this, he would've spent half term with them.
DS says all the other friendship groups in year 9 are already formed. He's tried really hard to chat to other boys and has tried to get to know others and hang out with them at school, but he says they've all been in close friendship groups or close pairs since year 7 and are all a bit closed off to him coming along and joining.
He's told me this week he's feeling really sad and lonely and so now I'm questioning my decisions. He loves seeing friends and socialising, he isn't happy being alone.
I don't know what to do to help him. He's the loveliest boy and he really wants to have friends.

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MadMadaMim · 21/02/2026 06:46

Had a similar experience but with DD and was not a primary school friendship - they became friends in yr7

DD was 13. Friend with concerning behaviour from day 1. By Christmas of yr8, DD was distancing and not comfortable with this. The bullying and smear campaign followed. We talked about all possible solutions and outcomes and, when though she didn't want to, DD realised changing school was probably the best option.

She changed school.

Thanked me regularly and it still comes up how the school move changed everything (though now it is not about the ex friend but that she met her now adult best friend there and her education, social and hobby outcomes are very different to what they would have been)

I think sometimes girls can be more full in at that age. The bullying and smear campaign was relentless and it was 24/7 with social media and spilled over into our of school activities etc so it was not too difficult for DD to seeoving schools as kind of the only option.

It's a horrible thing lots of children go through at this age as they start to have real opinions and feelings about acceptable behaviour, friendships etc and then have to manage the fall outbwjen they leave a group .

Maybe have a real deep chat about why he wouldn't want to change school. Hope you can resolve

feelingfree17 · 21/02/2026 06:51

Sensible advice, and you’ve clearly raised a good boy, who even at a young age could see where this was all going. Tough for him (and you) at the moment but it will get better. Encourage him to get involved with out of school activities to make friends with similar healthy interests. This will help him cope with the rejection he is experiencing at school. Rowing is excellent and also very social, or maybe a martial art.

Sartre · 21/02/2026 08:01

You’re way too involved for a child this age. My DS is in year 11 and in year 8 he had some friendship issues. I did have to go into school and have a meeting with his SLO because they weren’t just excluding him, they were actively bullying him as Fred was your son. Things like pushing his lunchbox off the table as they walked past, snatching his tie from his shirt and sticking it in the bin, calling him names etc.

They’d fallen out with him because he made a throwaway comment and they didn’t like it- that was it. One of the boys was in a wheelchair and DS had said something like “a wheelchair is basically a bike with 4 wheels”… That was his crime, they were 12/13 bearing in mind.

Anyway once SLO was involved, it all thankfully stopped. I would honestly never have contacted their parents, it’s the school’s issue to deal with. I similarly have a DD in year 9 and last year her friendship group decided they didn’t like one of the girls. This had been bubbling for some time- the girl was quite immature compared to them, had different interests, could get quite giddy and jumpy which irritated them etc. Anyway her mum contacted me really upset about it. I was just sort of like… they’re 13 years old, they’ve fallen out, what do you want me to do about it exactly??

I just think some parents get over involved basically. You were absolutely right to contact school about his behaviour and I hope school act accordingly. You can’t force the other boys to be friends with your son still, trying to arrange sleepovers on his behalf and such is a bit overbearing and weird.

Lookingbackconfused · 21/02/2026 10:53

Similar situation happened to my son, he had a large group of friends in yr7 & 8 but one of them was always the "joker", through yr8 my DS started to dislike this boy & realised how manipulative & mean he was, not physically but he'd turn friends against friends & do really cruel things disguised as banter / fun.
DS didn't like this, refused to join in & became a target. DS distanced himself (we did not tell him to do this) it meant he lost his other good friends. It was a tough year. But through yr10, other boys realised they didn't like Joker either and came back to DS. The majority of the boys are now with DS & only a couple with "the joker". This happened naturally, it was a tough year for DS. We just listened & supported him & told him things will change - he didn't want a new friendship group, he waited for his friends to come back. It took courage for the first friend to break away, but once one did others followed.

It's a tough age, but as your son matured & saw the behaviour, hopefully the other boys will too, they just may take longer than your son to see it.

pollymere · 21/02/2026 11:16

I think your DS has his priorities right and sounds like a kind, mature kid. It's unfortunate that his old mates don't seem to have gone through puberty yet. It is regrettable that some boys/men never seem to go through puberty at all. My DH has loose contact with his two best mates from school but is saddened that they still act like their teens even though they're in their forties.

Of course it's going to hurt that they've decided to side with Fred. It suggests they are not the good friends your son thought they were (or that they're weak and suggestible).

As for Fred's Mum... Has she not noticed her son has been suspended?! Maybe your DS was the voice of reason? I wonder how long it will be before Fred is permanently excluded...

Ferro · 21/02/2026 11:36

Even at this age, choices kids make now can shape the rest of their lives.

If he doesn't shape up, Fred is on his way to ending up in prison or dead.

Probably drugs will get involved soon. There's a not insignificant chance of Fred dragging the other two down with him.

Does your DS understand that?

lljkk · 21/02/2026 11:46

Mulledjuice · 19/02/2026 10:59

If you were being bullied by a former friend and 2 mutual friends didnt see anything wrong in this and expected you to get over it, would you just hang out with those 2 mutual friends as if they weren't still friends with your bully?

I think that's the perfect response.
OP needs to convince her DS that he deserves better than being treated like this.
Those 3 lads are not his friends (for now).
Friendship circles do change. Your son has to have faith that having no friends is better opportunity than having mean friends.

Friendship circles totally change, get disrupted etc. in High School, at any age. Very much not fixed.

CarterBeatsTheDevil · 21/02/2026 14:24

ldnmusic87 · 19/02/2026 10:39

This is too long to read, OP

It's not

ItsOkItsDarkChocolate · 21/02/2026 14:48

MonsterMamaJam · 19/02/2026 10:45

I think you need to help your son accept this friendship group is finished. Could you sign him up for some activities out of school to help him make a new peer group?

This! 100%!

Climbing, cycling, mountaineering, whatever he’s into. Maybe not gymnastics, from a friend’s experience with her son, a very toxic club.

Lots to be proud of about your son and his choices, his decency and integrity.

Are the other 2 boys not in Fred’s classes? I wonder how they’re tolerating Fred’s escalating behaviour?

Your son just needs to be able to knuckle down and in a couple of years the education peer situation will be shuffled up again!

Has your son expressed to the other 2 specifically that he’d like to still be friends, meet up any time they can tear themselves away? Maybe they’re scared of Fred? 🤷‍♀️

I think your advice was fine. What a horrible experience for your son though.

ItsOkItsDarkChocolate · 21/02/2026 14:58

WilfredsPies · 20/02/2026 19:30

My advice is a bit ‘council estate’ but kids like Fred don’t respond to basic decency. He’s a kid you need to fight with fire.

Then in September, starting year 9, DS went through a real step forward in development and maturity. He suddenly grew about 5 inches taller, voice deepened, and he started maturing in his views and opinions. So if Fred tries to bully him again, DS needs to lean over to Fred so nobody can hear him and very calmly and very quietly tell Fred that he’s bigger than he is, he’s stronger than Fred is, and that although he really doesn’t want to fight him, if Fred doesn’t wind his neck in and leave DS alone, then he’ll get the reaction that he’s looking for. And because DS is so much bigger and stronger, he’ll hurt him. Really hurt him. And he’ll make sure he does it in front of everyone who hates Fred and would be only too pleased to see him get a good hiding. But he has to do it really calmly because if there’s so much as a hint of DS being wound up, Fred will jump on it and call his bluff.

This led to Fred's mum texting me angrily having a go at me about my DS confronting Fred and ranting about my DS moving seats away from Fred in lessons. It was a really hostile, attacking text How did you respond? If it happens again, then you need to tell her that Fred has gone from a bit of a mischief maker to a bullying little thug and you don’t want your DS anywhere near him because he’ll drag his friends down with him. Then tell her you can see where Fred gets it from and she should fuck off before you really lose your temper with her.

He started a smear campaign against DS and told another student that DS had called him a "F*ing immigrant ct" when it was FRED who was going round saying this about the student concerned!!! The mother of this student reported my DS to the HofY for saying this (he didn't say it) I’d tell DS that if this happens again, he asks the other students how many times they’ve ever heard DS call anyone names, or bully them. And how many times they’d seen Fred do stuff like that, so who did they think was more likely to be responsible for it.

But DS still loves the other 2 boys who were in the friendship group. He was really close to them and really valued their friendship. Their behaviour was normal, nothing Fred's behaviour. And these 2 boys have stuck by Fred. They are still hanging out with Fred daily at school. Still socialising with him out of school I expect they are. Partly because they might still find him funny and partly because they’ve seen what has happened to your DS and they don’t want the same happening to them. That won’t be the case forever. Fred is only going to get worse and these boys will either drift away from him (in which case, they’ll find themselves in the same boat your DS is in now) or they’ll go down with Fred, in which case your DS probably wouldn’t want to be associated with them either. Maybe speak to the school again and ask if they can sit your DS with a particular group in class. Are there any local boxing/kickboxing/karate clubs that DS could join? Or a gym? Just for a bit of extra confidence.

I'm worrying that Fred is influencing these 2 away from DS. I know Fred is a liar. I've had him look me square in the eye and lie to my face when I've asked him about things in the past that I know he's done. I know he lies. He is extremely convincing. My gut feeling/instinct is telling me he's telling lies about my DS to the other 2, as payback for DS calling out his behaviour and pulling away from him You’re probably right. But there’s nothing you can do about it until they work that out for themselves. You could talk to their mums but nothing repels teenagers faster than someone desperate to be friends with them.

Ooh well said!

ItsOkItsDarkChocolate · 21/02/2026 14:59

lljkk · 21/02/2026 11:46

I think that's the perfect response.
OP needs to convince her DS that he deserves better than being treated like this.
Those 3 lads are not his friends (for now).
Friendship circles do change. Your son has to have faith that having no friends is better opportunity than having mean friends.

Friendship circles totally change, get disrupted etc. in High School, at any age. Very much not fixed.

Also this.

JuliettaCaeser · 21/02/2026 18:52

If he’s has friends before likely he will again. Agree with the activity. When DDs school friendship group turned on her friendly faces at her twice weekly dance class really helped.

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