Are you now more likely to vote for REFORM (the party)

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NC for this and apologies if Q already asked. My quick search yielded no result.

Reform plan to undo the reversal of 2 child cap benefit. Are you now likely (or more likely) to vote for them? There have been endless threads about the welfare bill.

My cousin was the only one of 2 white girl in her class in an east London school. Was often called white honky, ghost girl and " not part of the sistahood"

I'm not a jew hater either - reporting this

Yup I said a few pages back I went to a majority white school couple of blacks and a a couple of East Asians they were all treated just like everyone else. In comparison to my relative who got beaten and spat on.

They ignored the part about my relative and lectured me on how the non white kids MUST have suffered somehow. I’ve had similar conversations where people waffle on about “micro aggressions” and don’t want to hear about whites getting killed in South Africa or grooming gangs, just goes completely against their world view

Did you? Why? Do you think being left wing and Jewish are mutually exclusive? That comes as a surprise to some of us!

You have consistently talked me down and told me I am wrong when I told you that there was an outcry in my home town when refugees got some council homes no one else wanted - because that doesn't align with your views

A colour blind approach has been long since debunked. Very outdated concept.

I meant "you" in a metaphorical sense rather than "you" individually so let me reword that:

"by emphasising skin colour rather than a colour blind approach the left perpetuates division combined"

"the left perpetuates victim hood"

No I just said how do you know “no one” wanted them for sure because people can’t be fussy these days I also said fair enough it might be different in Scotland which you also took offence to. I’m not sure what you want me to say, talking about houses in your home town is getting repetitive

Well if you think that's not true then don't assume that right wing voters are racist because that's not true either.

False equivalence.

So historically particularly in the 1930s there was strong support from the Jewish community for left wing politics.

This was largely because the Jewish community was discriminated against and viewed by left wing politics as the oppressed or victims.

This all changed with the creation of the State of Israel which through resisting Arab nation attacks and the resulting Palestinian refugee crisis became viewed by the left as no longer a victim so therefore an oppressor.

This in turn created the anti semitism of the left.

Well if you hadn't continually told me I was wrong the conversation would have been over three pages ago

Thanks for the explanation.
You're wrong but thanks anyway.

From the get go I said it might be different in Scotland which you chose to take as an insult as well

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I didn't take it as an insult. In my home town you can get a one/two bedroom private let for around 450 - 500 pounds and some people might prefer to stay in a better area than go into a council tenancy in a rougher area. It was my landlord (the local council) that posted on social media saying that they were offered to refugees because they couldn't let them

Just because you believe that people will take anything to get into council housing doesn't make it the same in every area in the UK

So those on the left may view many of those on the right as racist, whilst those on the right will deny this.

Equally those on the right may view many of those on the left as anti semetic while those on the left will deny it.

There is an equivalence.

Thank you for the thank you.

Would you care to explain why I'm wrong?

Racist parties like Reform are on the right. Nobody's said that all right wing parties are racist.

Right wing is such a broad church. It includes those (increasingly rare) Conservatives that Kemi doesn't seem to want in her party and it also includes frothers like Ten Names Tommy. The Venn diagram incorporating right wing voting and racism has a substantial overlap, but is not a single circle. I'm not at all sure the same thing applies to antisemitism though, that Venn diagram would have to include racism, left wing voting behaviour and right wing voting behaviour.

It's an overly simplistic narrative based on faux Marxism and denies both centuries of history and the existence of socialist Jews like myself.

That's really only the case if you operate on the premise that 'is opposed to the excesses of the Israeli government with regards to Palestinians' equals 'antisemitic'. It is of course far mroe complex than that.

Your premise is that the left creates victimhood. This implies that genuine oppression and racism don't exist, and that if only people would pull themselves up by their bootstraps they could all be Alan Sugar.

My premise is that it is in the vested interests of the left to promote and perpetuate the sense of victim hood.

This in turn destroys ambition and hope, which from a racism perspective is far more harmful than an ignorant and hateful verbal racist slur.

What you view as the excesses of the Israeli Government with regards to the Palestinians can be viewed by others as self defence after being attacked.

The anti semitism of the left has been repackaged with the code word of "anti Zionism " but is clearly evident from simple incidents like shouting "free Palestine "
against anyone Jewish or extreme incidents such as the Manchester synagogue attack.

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