Are you now more likely to vote for REFORM (the party)

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NC for this and apologies if Q already asked. My quick search yielded no result.

Reform plan to undo the reversal of 2 child cap benefit. Are you now likely (or more likely) to vote for them? There have been endless threads about the welfare bill.

I really struggle to see how anyone can think reform will do anything to protect women. They seem to be focusing themselves in a way which will make things worse not better

HTH with what?

Who are you to say that the ‘black and brown’ children were treated the same as everyone else, you don’t know that at all…you’re not living their childhoods.

You have so much inherent racism it’s really sad to see. And deeply frustrating that people like you won’t see past that and actually have a proper read of everything else Farage stands for.

My relative who was one of the only white kids in a majority Pakistani school regularly had the crap beaten out of him, sorry I forgot to mention it was more than just “microaggressions” or whatever the current trendy word is.
Maybe I don’t know every detail about their childhood but it definitely didn’t involve any of what my relative went through

Arrogant of you to describe yourself as educated and intelligent to be honest. It’s also been found time and time again that younger people (ie with less life experience and wisdom) vote for more left wing parties and become more right wing with age.

A lot of educated women know about grooming gangs and know how women are treated in Afghanistan and Pakistan etc and don’t want that for their children

The trend of people becoming more right wing with age is nowhere near as strong as it used to be - in the last GE, the age where the majority switched from left to right had risen to 65 - 70 whereas it had previously sat at around 40 - 45. As people become better educated, they see parties like Reform for what they are: lazy, incompetent grifters solely out to line their own pockets, blowing out cheap promises like so much hot air.
The reason they are doing well in the polls is that older people are more likely to go out and vote. And even there, they are doing less well than they were three months ago. They are starting to lose council elections because people can see what Reform councils are doing.

I live in the West of Scotland and there's a large Pakistani community here - third generation. People who came over in the 50s and 60s. Surely you have to see that not everyone who is Pakistani is involved in grooming gangs - there are people coming here to flee war - why is the suggestion that people are coming here to groom kids?

We’re also not silly enough to know that it’s MEN that are the issue, not just brown men like Reform are happily leading their sheep to believe. We know that rich white men are far more dangerous and would have far more power and be untouchable under a Reform government while everyone else suffers 🙃

the school I went to was majority white and the small number of black and brown kids were treated just like everyone else.

I wonder if those black and brown kids would agree with you.

It has most definitely not been found time and time again that people become more right wing with age. What happens time and time again is that people just say this.

The influential factor is reproduction. And, being humble and intelligent yourself, @Moonshadowmoon you will know that more and more people are not reproducing

The paper is “Experimental and cross-cultural evidence that parenthood and parental care motives increase social conservatism” and there is a link to it in this article

https://fortune.com/2022/09/07/parenthood-motives-increase-social-conservatism-study/

re age related trend - this was only observed in the last election and only because of very strong anti Tory sentiment. 40-65yo are traditionally Tory age group, but in 2024 conservatives were sort of non existent, so this group went for Labor. What is also surprising is that youngsters, 16-18, are supporting Reform in large enough numbers, so Labor decision might come back and bite them.

But I agree with you about people waking up to Reform. I even think that Reform doing well in May local elections would be a good thing - more people would see what they truly are, and by next GE Reform would be dead.
And I really really hope that far right Tory who destroyed the party will defect to Reform leaving Kemi with a proper centrist-right party, so they are back in 2029.

That makes so much sense (on a population level - I have kids and have if anything become more elft wing as I age).

It's not arrogant. It's factual.

I was never going to vote for them anyway.

A lot of educated women know about grooming gangs and know how women are treated in Afghanistan and Pakistan etc and don’t want that for their children

Well presumably they aren't going to send their children to either of those countries, then? So not sure what your point is @Moonshadowmoon ?

Well I’ve got three kids and had my first when I was 16, a lot of other people my age still live with their parents and spend their days doom scrolling in bed and know practically nothing about the world. I stopped letting people like that lecture me on how mean and nasty I am years ago

Focusing on one group of men only as perpetrators of sexual abuse is actually exceptionally dangerous as it means those who aren’t part of that demographic will be seen as less of a risk and that’s when safeguards start to fail.

sexual offenders aren’t restricted to one ethnicity, or lifestyle or anything else.

I’d rather staple my tits to a beehive than vote for those shit houses. I can’t be arsed to list the reasons why I hate Reform and everything they stand for. Rupert Lowe and whatever his new party is called get the same response from me btw.

The evidence is there. Obviously there are class factors involved, uncomfortable though that may be. The two are linked. Voting for right wing/far right wing parties is complex and linked to systemic disadvantage. I hate to see the likes of Reform use their exploitative tactics and rhetoric to persuade people to vote against their own interests.

No One has ever said other groups of men can’t be sex offenders.
Most just point out it’s probably not a good idea to let in millions of men from countries where women are forbidden from doing practically anything and wife beating is legal is not a good idea.

Why do you think there might be refugees from places with oppressive regimes?

Just leaving this here.

'Nasty and violent' Kent councillor jailed for coercive behaviour - BBC News

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c627ngz1k1eo

Make up your mind is it privileged rich whites voting reform or lowly disadvantaged peasants?

Or maybe just normal people who don’t agree with mass immigration?

Ever thought they may be trying to escape from the regimes over there?

110k people claimed asylum in the UK last year. Not millions