Are you now more likely to vote for REFORM (the party)

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NC for this and apologies if Q already asked. My quick search yielded no result.

Reform plan to undo the reversal of 2 child cap benefit. Are you now likely (or more likely) to vote for them? There have been endless threads about the welfare bill.

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Sorry, but you have no idea. 😂

I don't believe people are encouraged to have more children for a few quid when they claim benefit. In the same way I don't believe childless women will chose to have more children so they pay less tax.

I think the idea (well, one of the ideas. There are fiscal/economic benefits too) of the cap is continuity with working families - the latter tend to plan their family with finances/ability to afford more children in mind.

No it hasn't, it's lower as a percentage of GDP than it was in 2007-8 and expected to rise as a percentage of GDP by a massive 0.1% until 2030.

I don’t see how anyone can vote for Reform, when it seems they will remove the NHS. Who would vote to remove our NHS?!

The linked BBC article is detailed (though a simple search would give you endless illustrations of the epic growth).

You're, genuinely, the only person I've ever happened across who thinks the UK's welfare spending is sustainable. Quite remarkable 😊

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/crewng29zgno#:~:text=Before%20looking%20at%20where%20the,75.7bn%20in%202029%2D30.

There was zero chance of me voting for them before and there's zero chance now.
Even if they announced a whole variety of wonderfully appealing policies, they're a group of morally bankrupt, racist, opportunist arseholes who should be kept far, far away from running a country.

What's your suggestion for an alternative in the current climate?

I'd rather hoped for honesty about the welfare situation from this labour government. They started off promising they'd do the right thing, not the popular thing. They've seriously rowed back on that though. We're still kicking the can down the road.

I suspect the elderly will pay the highest price in years to come (and we'll all, if the fates allow, be elderly at some point). We'll be working longer and longer, and we'll get zero good grace in terms of savings and assets.

No.

Right but you reckon the benefits system is so bloated it's about to collapse. You think it should be reined in. So what would you do about it?

All taxes discourage behaviour and all benefits encourage behaviour. Of course there is a debate on how much they discourage or encourage behaviour for example how much does higher road tax discourage people from buying large SUVs? Or how many people are incentivised to buy a biomass boiler because of the subsidy?

If child benefit being restricted to two children doesn't discourage the number of children people have and is only intended to provide support and prevent child poverty for any number of children if born then surely it would be better to spend the money on an information campaign calling for couples to have less children?

I don't 'reckon'. I've concluded by the exhibited rapid growth and the forecast of people with far more fiscal and financial nous than I.
I can't do anything, nor would I wish to be in the position whereupon I had to. I've said more than once now that I would welcome a frank and honest governmental approach. It won't happen under the current government though, that has become clear.

Not in a million years.

No, because reform have announced plans which will screw over disabled children by scrapping the educational health care plans, designed to protect children from discrimination and give them access to education by meeting their needs.
I won’t be voting for anybody that wants to undo the work that the disabled community have fought so hard for, for equality rights. Especially when it comes to children.

Yet you've completely ignored that benefits as a percentage of GDP have remained stable for years and forecast to rise by a tiny 0.1% of GDP until the end of this decade. You've also ignored the events that might lead to more people claiming for a limited time - COVID/long COVID, long NHS waiting lists left over from ideological austerity. So essentially you're choosing your "facts" and claiming they're objectively true. What's the point of doing that? You've not provided any robust evidence that the benefits system is out of control or at risk of imminent collapse. You're just indulging in hyperbole.

I'm confident my conclusions are objective and informed.
Have a good evening 😊

Time will tell I guess. You enjoy your evening too.

Got to 15.24 before the idiots arrived. Someone must have set off a daily mail alarm

Ah well, it was good while it lasted... 🤪

Absolutely not and they need to get their house in order when it comes to policy. Their by-election candidate is calling for women to have more kids and the party want to remove the safety net if they do just that and fall on hard times.

How could they run the country when they can’t even agree between themselves?

I will vote for anyone but them. I have a disabled child so voting for them would be like a turkey voting for Christmas.

Why have you name changed?

My thoughts were, is this a post by Reform, to assess opinion?