Unfriending right wing friends

[nondrinker1985]

One of my school mum friends of around 10 years has started sharing loads of Restore Britain/Rupert Lowe posts.

I’m actually really shocked as she’s an Irish immigrant herself.

I’ve unfriended her which is a shame as day to day she’s ok. Also another mum who has been liking and commenting on the Restore Britain posts, they’ll probably tell me they’re not racist but I can’t be arsed calling them out.

I've not fallen for anything. There are parts of the UK that are already majority Muslim. There have been cases in national news where the police leave what should be criminal cases up to Muslim elders to deal with as they see fit.

@Teanbiscuits33

The majority of Muslims are not extremists, and they are nowhere close to becoming a majority. Do you think Christian nationalism is better? What rights as a woman do you think you’ll have under reform?

I’m not a fan of Christian Nationalism, but I’d much rather in country whose government was based on that, such as Italy under Meloni, than one based on Fundamentalist Islam, like Afghanistan.

The two are not the same… not even close.

Are you replying to the right pp? The post I was responding to didn't refer to any of those things.

@Teanbiscuits33

And however bad you think Reform will be, you’ll still have far more rights than you would under the Taliban. Stop trying to make such a ridiculous equivalence.

You think the Taliban would take over the U.K?

We’re completely fucked if the electorate actually think this way.

You're telling me that you care that the boatmen are anti-gay and against women's rights, yet you're happy to walk blindly to the polling booth to vote for Farage and his goons, who are exactly that.

How about this logic.. it'll be a mix of people coming, just like there's a mix in our society too. But perhaps some people want to better their lives; the majority are not coming here to hurt us. Immigration enriches lives. What would our lives be without it? Look around you. You do not need to live in fear.

Yes, there will be people who come here who rape and murder, just as British men have done in other countries too to their native people. Yes, you will get grooming and trafficking gangs, look at AMB; he was part of the biggest we've ever known.

The type of society you want will never exist. What you are suffering from is FEAR.

I would love to know how many Reformists speak a second language, as I highly doubt many would have the inclination. The reason I do not hold the same opinions as you is not because I am weak; it's because I have travelled and lived in other countries, learnt new languages, and through that have dropped prejudices that I once had. I have sat in a classroom with people from Syria and learnt a language together with them, all of us wanting the same thing, which was to integrate into a new society.

The reason you can sit on your throne and cast judgment the way you do is down to pure luck and nothing else.

And, based on this response to a former friend's concerns, however founded, shows that our country is heading towards ever greater polarisation in the future.

Additional thought: I think the term 'friends' is used rather too loosely. Work friends, school mum friends, coffee friends, gym friends etc. Having one hand where you can actually count your friend friends on, is a very positive thing.

You posted “do you think Christian nationalism would be any better?”

My post was in response to that. Of course I don’t think the Taliban will take over.

I wish you wouldn’t act as an unwitting recruiting sargent for Reform with your antagonism for anyone to your right politically.

🤣🤣🤣🤣

It’s not ‘’anyone’’ to my right, it’s people spouting conspiracy theories as truth and advocating for fascism. As most people with a modicum of decency does have contempt for. I won’t apologise for it. It’s dangerous.

This sums things up nicely, better than I ever could begin to explain it, if you’re remotely interested. Careful though, it might be just a bit too ‘’lefty’’ for you and you will be exposed to a different view. If you experience any distress, just close the page and call Samaritans.

https://www.bearlypolitics.co.uk/p/orr-farage-and-lowe-the-civil-war?utm_medium=web

True. I also think of the pro Palestine people celebrating the October 7th attacks. There has even been nurses filming themselves in UK hospitals celebrating those horrendous attacks.

The extremists have stated that their aim is to take over. They have succeeded (often with the help of the hard left who are then disposed of) in some countries. Are you so arrogant that you think it can’t happen here?

Just look at the anti white racism and suicidal empathy we see on here. It’s not an impossibility. Look at the power the Muslims already have with our Labour government.

LMFAO!!! Muhammad Zia Yusuf is your Home Secretary.
and you’re talking absolute shite and playing the victim here.

Quite.

Nobody has an issue with Sikhs or Hindus.

Hear, hear! 👏

Where have ‘’the extremists’’ said this anyway, where are you getting this from?

It's not just 'the boatmen' that are anti-gay.

Half of all British Muslims think homosexuality should be illegal, poll finds

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/apr/11/british-muslims-strong-sense-of-belonging-poll-homosexuality-sharia-law

I got halfway through and then abandoned it due to the dearth of serious analysis and word count wasted on criticising the appearance of the authors political opponents. Come on. The left were better than this. If this dross is the best you have this explains why Brexit and Trump victories came as such a shock

So do Christian Nationalists, what’s your point? If these British Muslims are already here, then they haven’t had any effect on homosexuality laws, have they? In fact, there’s been British Muslims here for decades, and gay marriage became legal despite this?

What this proves is that all sorts of people have all sorts of distasteful opinions, as they are entitled ( just look at this thread) but plenty do not. That poll shows that 50% do not think homosexuality should be illegal, and it’s only one survey.

I mean Farage has hinted at gay marriage being wrong and they want to repeal the equality act which will affect homosexuals negatively. I don’t know what you think you’ll achieve?

So you’re telling me you care more about the names than the point the article was making? Right.

It was things like this that hit home for me:

The thing that gets my back up about this is that it is a genuinely dangerous brand of politics from a worldview that is far from benign for anyone who is painted as the villain in the narrative, and it’s a political ideology that explicitly treats rights as conditional, pluralism as weakness and equality as indulgence.
Orr’s public record on abortion alone should be enough to make anyone with an even marginally functional moral compass recoil, and that’s not even going anywhere close to his views on the LGBT community or his extremely worrying links to JD “Maybe it’s Maybelline” Vance, the Vice President of the United States who is currently overseeing some of the biggest assaults on civil liberties in the US in decades.

See, you perfectly illustrate the problem.

If there was a poll showing that half of Reform supporters thought women belong in the kitchen I guarantee you wouldn't be saying "oh, but half of them don't agree".

We do not want a situation where the demographic in charge of immigration are happy to welcome all and challenge none.

No, it isn’t the problem, because Reform are trying to get into government and implement policy, these British Muslims have NOT and there is no suggestion they will, apart from your feelings brought about by fear that has been purposefully evoked.

But isn't it telling that lefties are extremely quick to brand people racists for voicing concerns about Islam yet utterly unwilling to challenge any bigotry that isn't voiced by a white person?

I've yet to see a single lefty comment on that survey. Ever. Do you think it would be the same if it was a survey showing that 50% of Reform voters think homosexuality should be illegal?

<awaits more whataboutery>

No, I don’t think it would be the same if similar was said about Reform, because reform are trying to get into power. I would think it was worrying if it was reform policy. Do you not see the difference? The two things are not comparable.

As it is, it looks as though reform ARE heading towards anti rights for all sorts of demographics. So let’s vote them in 😀

But it's the stuff I'm talking about that makes people vote for parties like Reform. Deafening silence when half of a significant demographic indicate they believe that homosexuality should be illegal, but then anybody who dares mention it gets called a racist.

Genuine good faith:

You are voting for Reform based off the fear that the bad men ‘’might’’ come and take your rights away based on what they tell you, yet they’re showing very clearly now that they WILL, not might but WILL take away your rights, so which one do you think is the better bet? Voting for certainty, or taking a chance that maybe, just maybe, the people who told you to be scared are liars?

Quite often accusations are confessions. Fear, and continuous reinforcement of that fear, is one of the most reliable psychological tools that one can possibly employ to ensure that they get what they want. In this case it’s votes.