Unfriending right wing friends

[nondrinker1985]

One of my school mum friends of around 10 years has started sharing loads of Restore Britain/Rupert Lowe posts.

I’m actually really shocked as she’s an Irish immigrant herself.

I’ve unfriended her which is a shame as day to day she’s ok. Also another mum who has been liking and commenting on the Restore Britain posts, they’ll probably tell me they’re not racist but I can’t be arsed calling them out.

And the lack of empathy in tragic circumstances runs in both directions. 9/11 and the fires in Hollywood - comments full of Arabic names delighting in how God is great.

The pp appeared to be implying that Labour voters are very thin on the ground, based solely on their own personal experience. That's what I was challenging, not how Labour are doing in the polls/in general opinion.

I often think of this poem - what if the people that you are protecting are actually the people that are a threat to your way of life and culture? What then?

I think people that want to reduce immigration are speaking out and trying to protect our way of life (free, western, democratic etc) for themselves, their children and others. People that would like to live in a Sharia country where women have to cover up, aren't allowed to use the beach, go swimming etc should go and live in one and leave our country free.

There's no danger of Reform being discussed. There a thread every day, always from those purporting to despise them. You talk about scapegoating, it's the Reform party that's meant to shoulder every single thing that's wrong with politics. I wonder why the focus is being taken away from the current government.

None of those things apply to the UK. On what grounds are you basing your assumption that we could become 'a Sharia country'? And what exactly do you mean by 'leave our country free'?

but she’s still right. An election tomorrow would likely see a reform win. No one was going to vote conservative after the last 2 years. Labour didn’t win out of popularity or with any greta support. They won purely as punishment to the tories

But they aren’t. It’s a tale as old as time what’s happening now. At the time the Nazis rose to power, Jewish people were the same percentage of the population as Muslims are now, the economy was suffering and it was all, ‘foreigners this foreigners that, life will be better without them, they’re criminals!’ it’s the same playbook! What happened there?

It’s all part of the whole Project 2025 plan that’s currently playing out all across Europe. They want to use blaming minorities to take everybody’s rights away, to take any accountability away and get richer. That’s it. They know what they’re doing. And there’s even suggestions Putin is helping people migrate to destabilise us.

What happens when they get in and you suddenly realise you have no rights? You have no workers rights, no equality rights, no ECHR to fall back on, no healthcare, nothing. Your government can treat you as appallingly as they wish, all because you don’t like the brown people.

It’s going to be a massive case of ‘fuck around and find out’ and I think that is going to be the only silver lining about it all, as I will get schadenfreude when it comes to everyone who voted for it, although I know I’ll suffer myself as I’m disabled.

At the end of the day, you can’t guarantee 100% that anyone in the country at any given time isn’t a criminal, and that’s one argument they could use eventually, white Brits (by blood) only to keep us all safe from possible foreign criminals.

Even the people I know who voted Labour & even political commentators trying to influence you vote for Labour have all said they wished they hadn’t.

So there are no women living in the UK under cultural, familial and religious pressure to cover up? No ladies that won't go swimming or if they do have to wear full length trousers, sleeves and a headscarf. No women sitting in black shrouds at the side of the beach while their husbands and children play. Little girls playing on the sand that in the future when they grow will have to join their mum sitting at the side wearing the shroud. Open your eyes.

We don't actually know who would win if an election was held tomorrow. Reform's current polling is strong, but we can't possibly know what the effect of tactical voting might be.

There are lots of Reform supporters, but there are also lots of people who would be prepared to vote differently from how they might usually vote in order to keep Reform out.

Only time will tell if the anti-Reform vote will be strong enough to keep them out.

There’s definitely an uptick of business owners and commentators who voted Labour last time who regret it too.

What happens if we get a Musim majority in the UK and you find out you have no rights as a woman? I'll take my chances with reform rather than a religion that makes being a woman an absolute misery all around the world.

But the pp wasn't reflecting on the likely outcome of an election tomorrow. They were attempting, imo anyway, to suggest that their own personal circle of acquaintances was in some way indicative of anything on a wider scale, when the reality is that people's voting tendencies vary hugely from constituency to constituency.

Which would be fine if 'taking your chances' with Reform only affected you, but if wouldn't. And if you seriously think Reform would protect women's rights, then (in reference to your other post) I don't think I'm the one who needs to open my eyes.

The majority of Muslims are not extremists, and they are nowhere close to becoming a majority. Do you think Christian nationalism is better? What rights as a woman do you think you’ll have under reform?

James Orr is one of Nigel’s advisors and now head of policy at Reform. He’s staunch anti abortion, under any circumstances. Goodbye the right to choose what women do with their bodies. It just reinforces the patriarchal control of women. The same thing you think you’re voting against

Your dislike of Muslims is coming through loud and clear on this thread however much you try to dress this up as a feminist issue. Of course this problem exists. What you don't seem able to explain is what this magic bullet is that you seem to think Reform has that will change things? I'm sure we'd all be riveted to know...

What on earth business owners were thinking when they put their plight in the hands of socialists is anybody's guess.

Well if she’s right it will affect her more severely and more people than any policy reform bring in. By the way the 2 cap child benefit was reforms idea.

the post I think you’re referring to isn’t a policy of reform. It’s a talking point of Matt godwin on ways to encourage the birth rate in the country. They’re actually the toughest party on protecting women’s spaces & biological reality. Whilst Labour are willing to pay children to trial puberty blockers.

I don't think reform are going to make me cover up head to toe are they? Not let girls go to school. Not allow music, dance or sex education. Surely even you are not going to pretend that that is the case.

Woman in Afganistan aren't able to access health care let alone abortion. Can only be treated by women but women aren't allowed to train....

What on earth are you on about? You don't seriously believe women will be banned from practicing medicine or seeing aale doctor in the UK if you don't start deporting Muslims sharpish do you?

I've no problem with a Muslim as an individual. Do I want Britain to become a Muslim country - no I do not and I don't think there is anything wrong with that. There are plenty of Muslim countries for people that would like to live in one.

The U.K. is not going to end up like that. It sounds as if you have fallen for white replacement theory. A conspiracy theory.

I’m not going to post anymore as reading this kind of thing is making me more depressed that our future could be about to be decided by voters who let online nonsense propaganda influence their voting choices which will ruin people’s lives. It’s legitimately horrifying.

I’ve had enough. The cognitive dissonance is so strong. A reasonable debate using logic can’t be had when people don’t use logic to come to their conclusions in the first place.

Why are you under the impression that the country is going to fall under Sharia law? Unless I've missed something amidst all the anti-Islam hysteria of your posts, you haven't yet been able to produce a credible reason why you think this is imminent. And what do you mean, 'even' me?

'No problem with a Muslim as an individual'? Big of you. And I don't particularly believe you, fwiw.