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nondrinker1985 · 2026-02-16T16:53:00+00:00

One of my school mum friends of around 10 years has started sharing loads of Restore Britain/Rupert Lowe posts. I’m actually really shocked as she’s an Irish immigrant herself. I’ve unfriended her which is a shame as day to day she’s ok. Also another mum who has been liking and commenting on the Restore Britain posts, they’ll probably tell me they’re not racist but I can’t be arsed calling them out.

Somerford · 18/02/2026 09:22

PortSalutPlease · 18/02/2026 07:14

FACT CHECK: Sorry - I know facts are not what Reform supporters are into, but just to point out - migrants are NET contributors to the UK economy. Migrants in the UK pay approximately £110bn in taxes per year, and contribute to the generation of almost £400bn of our GDP.

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I think we're going to need sources for that.

RingoJuice · 18/02/2026 09:31

This is why I don’t talk about politics with casual friends or coworkers. But then they get shocked at that outcomes of elections

’but I don’t know anyone that would vote for XYZ’

Like …. lol. Lmao even

Happyjoe · 18/02/2026 09:43

Clavinova · 17/02/2026 23:57

I've found this committee session from 2023;

14 March 2023 - Post-Brexit UK-EU security cooperation – follow up - Oral evidence
https://committees.parliament.uk/event/17670/formal-meeting-oral-evidence-session/

I think if you read the oral evidence from Peter Ayling, International Crime Coordination Centre Lead at National Police Chiefs Council and Steve Rodhouse, Director General Operations at National Crime Agency, it will offer some reassurance, e.g.

We have made some good progress, I think, in minimising the issue of live time access. When the UK receives Interpol notices from member states, they now go through a process and almost all are available through the Police National Computer to officers on the front line within a small number of hours. [officers could then access this information within minutes]

There is no doubt that we would prefer to have kept SIS II, but the mitigation in place through the use of Interpol notices and relying on the I24/7 database has been shown to work. I think you can see that with the number of notices that are put on to the system and the work that has been sustained.

As of this month, the UK is now connected to 15 countries across the Prüm network for the sharing of DNA— that is 95% of all DNA profiles held in Europe—and 12 countries for fingerprint searching but with a further five countries to come on stream. That is a significant capability

I do not want to give an answer specifically around counterterrorism arrests, but I can certainly assure you that our officers are able to make arrests in the UK through the National Extradition Unit, and are doing so effectively. Equally the UK’s ability to access support and co-operation abroad from people is there.

They also discuss a new programme I-LEAP - described here;

Phase 1: will deliver connectivity to the fixed INTERPOL’s network database (FIND) system, providing real-time access to INTERPOL nominal data to UK policing, whilst expanding access to other INTERPOL datasets. These services are being rolled out nationally to policing, the UK Border Force, and the National Crime Agency (NCA).
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/home-office-major-programmes-accounting-officer-assessments/international-law-enforcement-alerts-platform-i-leap-programme

Starmer tried very much to get access to again in the EU with good reason, but they refused. It would've helped massively with the backlog of cases that they inherited.

At the end of 2024, the UK had the 5th largest backlog of cases - why didn't those other countries (France, Germany, Spain, Italy) deal with their backlogs much quicker?

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At the end of 2024, the UK had the 5th largest backlog of cases - why didn't those other countries (France, Germany, Spain, Italy) deal with their backlogs much quicker?

They have more asylum applications than us? By far.

Miggledyhiggledy · 18/02/2026 09:50

Teanbiscuits33 · 18/02/2026 01:42

You can think that, but the point of the matter is, they’re claiming that they are so concerned about immigration because they care so deeply about women and girls when they so clearly don’t, and they keep proving it time and time again.

They only care about groomers and paedophiles and other criminals who are brown because it gives them a reason to be racist. Can you not see?

Before Brexit, the Easten Europeans were the problem, now this is just another scapegoat.

It’s so obvious. Fascism needs a scapegoat to proliferate, next it will be disabled people ( already started), childless people (already started) LGBTQ (already started with his comments on how straight couples make the best marriages), the ‘’radical left’’, benefit claimants. Legal settled immigrants, British nationals of African or Asian descent. They always need to constantly be blaming someone until there’s nobody else left,

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The irony. You're simply obsessed with Reform so you're helping them to victory. All your argument is but Reform. Can you not see further than them?

lovecheesymash · 18/02/2026 10:06

Personally I don’t care what, race colour, creed or sexual preferences they have, (as long as it doesn’t include animals or children). What i do care about is that anyone entering our country comes with the willingness to work, integrate and abide by our laws and traditions.
Does that make me raciest?
Also, I wouldn’t be happy if someone entered my home without knowing anything about them.
Does that make me raciest?

Miggledyhiggledy · 18/02/2026 10:09

lovecheesymash · 18/02/2026 10:06

Personally I don’t care what, race colour, creed or sexual preferences they have, (as long as it doesn’t include animals or children). What i do care about is that anyone entering our country comes with the willingness to work, integrate and abide by our laws and traditions.
Does that make me raciest?
Also, I wouldn’t be happy if someone entered my home without knowing anything about them.
Does that make me raciest?

That's why the Windrush generation successfully integrated. Their attitude and ethics were the complete opposite of those entering the country today who want nothing more than to isolate their groups from the mainstream society that's hosting them.

AgentPidge · 18/02/2026 10:17

She's not saying that at all. She's saying she didn't tell people everything, but eventually people reveal their true colours, and the ones that align with you become your friends. At least I think that's what she's saying! I agree with this.
Edit: my quote didn't appear. Apologies!

JHound · 18/02/2026 11:08

HamToasties · 18/02/2026 08:36

No one is suggesting ALL asylum seekers are paedophiles and rapists but undoubtedly some are, and with those entering the country illegally, we literally have no idea who they are because they destroy their documents so they can’t be deported. Hard working and genuine migrants would apply to come here legally, where they can be checked and vetted. My parents both came here legally in the 1960s and the checks to enter the UK were stringent, as they should be. They’ve been British citizens for many years, I was born here. They watch GB news and they vote for Reform (prior to that, the Tories). One voted for Brexit, the other against, which was the only time in their marriage they have voted differently to each other. People’s concerns are personal, and their voting intentions go much deeper than their race. You’ll find many working immigrants, especially high earners, are right leaning when it comes to politics.

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What were the “stringent checks” in the 60s that no longer exist?

JHound · 18/02/2026 11:11

Miggledyhiggledy · 18/02/2026 10:09

That's why the Windrush generation successfully integrated. Their attitude and ethics were the complete opposite of those entering the country today who want nothing more than to isolate their groups from the mainstream society that's hosting them.

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Ha!!

The rewriting of history.

The Windrush Generation for the 40s, 50s, 60s and 70s at least were met with the same levels of vitriol (if not more) that current migrants are now and widely accused of “taking over whole communities/ not integrating” / “having vastly different cultures”.

Some of us have long memories / family members with long memories.

HamToasties · 18/02/2026 11:24

JHound · 18/02/2026 11:08

What were the “stringent checks” in the 60s that no longer exist?

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I didn’t say they no longer exist - I’m trying to explain the difficulties in entering a country legally as opposed to illegally.

JHound · 18/02/2026 11:30

HamToasties · 18/02/2026 11:24

I didn’t say they no longer exist - I’m trying to explain the difficulties in entering a country legally as opposed to illegally.

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What were the stringent checks back then
do you think (as depending on where they were from and whether that country was independent of the British Empire or not really defined the “checks” involved.

Also stringent checks or not, illegal immigrants can frequently arrive legally and simply overstay.

dreamiesformolly · 18/02/2026 12:37

Miggledyhiggledy · 17/02/2026 20:02

You tell me. Putting somebody in a concentration camp.is always equated with nazism and fascism by the left. Ring any bells with you?

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'is always equated with nazism and fascism by the left'? Do you associate it with something different, then? 🤔

IamaBluebird · 18/02/2026 12:46

If someone has been a friend of ten years surely you’d have a conversation about their views. Not unfriend on social media.

Teanbiscuits33 · 18/02/2026 12:49

James Orr, the guy who is staunchly anti abortion has become their head of policy yesterday. Great news for women’s bodily autonomy as well.

Teanbiscuits33 · 18/02/2026 13:11

Miggledyhiggledy · 18/02/2026 09:50

The irony. You're simply obsessed with Reform so you're helping them to victory. All your argument is but Reform. Can you not see further than them?

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It’s not my responsibility if Reform or Restore get in simply because I posted on mumsnet and had a discussion. It’s the people who vote for them. People always use this ‘look what you made me do!’ Argument. People need to take accountability for their own decisions.

I mean I guess blaming others is part of the whole shtick anyway isn’t if? So it kind of makes sense, but if you’re voting based on what others say, then arguably, you shouldn’t be voting at all.

Nothing ironic about that comment you quoted - at all. Shall we just not discuss Reform at all, then? Would that make you feel more comfortable? Would it make you less likely to vote your own rights away? Probably not, as you would only be getting your own perspective.

NoisyViewer · 18/02/2026 13:14

Somerford · 18/02/2026 09:22

I think we're going to need sources for that.

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I think you’re referring to legal and not illegal

Somerford · 18/02/2026 13:19

NoisyViewer · 18/02/2026 13:14

I think you’re referring to legal and not illegal

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I asked for source to back the claim about taxes paid annually by legal, the figure i find when I look it up ranges from £3bn to £3.3bn depending on the source. The PP claimed it was £110bn

cantankerousoldcrone · 18/02/2026 13:19

My brother is an Irish immigrant in the UK and I fear a bit racist. I think deep down he thinks only brown people are really immigrants.

dreamiesformolly · 18/02/2026 13:24

HamToasties · 17/02/2026 11:09

Please enlighten me as to what you believe is the difference between “right” and “far right”? I’m all ears. I say this because people are using the term “far right” for the most laughable reasons now.

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Blimey, where do I start? OP was talking about someone who espouses the 'policies' of Restore Britain/Rupert Lowe, so...

advocation of mass deportation ('millions will have to go');
general anti-multiculturalism, calling for a ban on the burqa etc;
negativity towards progressive cultural policies;
advocation of banning 'foreigners' from voting;

just for starters... will that do you?

Basically they want to stamp out anything and everything that doesn't fit their definition of British. Personally I don't consider any of that 'laughable', it's potentially the top of a dangerously slippery slope if this party's so-called rhetoric is allowed to take a hold. If some people can't see that, then like I said, they're desperately in need of some history lessons.

JHound · 18/02/2026 13:25

cantankerousoldcrone · 18/02/2026 13:19

My brother is an Irish immigrant in the UK and I fear a bit racist. I think deep down he thinks only brown people are really immigrants.

A lot of white immigrants think this. A romanian woman at work tried to claim this to me too. I think we need to make dictionaries great again.

dreamiesformolly · 18/02/2026 13:27

HamToasties · 16/02/2026 21:29

Oh dear. Are you another triggered lefty? The right-wing have turned up on this thread and not before time. I was genuinely perplexed as to how there could be SO many apparent Labour voters on Mumsnet, when in real life I could count on one hand the number of people I know who voted labour.

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All that post demonstrates is your own empirical, rather narrow from the sounds of it, lived experience. It isn't indicative of any broader truths, however much you might like it to be.

Paganpentacle · 18/02/2026 13:28

Enrichetta · 16/02/2026 17:39

I recall years ago when I was in Canada, offending a British woman there because I referred to her as an immigrant. She responded that she had left the UK 30 years prior and moved to Canada but that does not make her an immigrant.

Whilst this person was technically an immigrant, referring to her as such was not very polite, particularly since it seems that you didn’t know her very well.

How many decades does someone have to be in a country and make it their home before you would consider them ‘one of us’?

You're always an immigrant.... doesnt stop you being 'one of us'.

NoisyViewer · 18/02/2026 13:40

dreamiesformolly · 18/02/2026 13:27

All that post demonstrates is your own empirical, rather narrow from the sounds of it, lived experience. It isn't indicative of any broader truths, however much you might like it to be.

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How so? When every poll, every popular talking point doesn’t align with Labour. This government is possibly the least popular in 50 years

EasternStandard · 18/02/2026 13:44

NoisyViewer · 18/02/2026 13:40

How so? When every poll, every popular talking point doesn’t align with Labour. This government is possibly the least popular in 50 years

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That’s true. It’s more on here people still claim they’re doing well but polls and focus groups show the opposite.

Winter2020 · 18/02/2026 13:44

Plasticdreams · 17/02/2026 07:10

Have you thought that this might be part of the reason why they are fleeing their county and trying to get their women and children out of there?

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If only we could all believe that all the nice men flee the country and all the baddies stay there. But why would that possibly be the case? In the end bring enough people over from a toxic culture and you have imported that culture.

The very people saying "be kind, be tolerant" are happy to have people come live here that are not kind and not tolerant. Will there ever be a point when the "be kind" lot take issue with them or is it fine to be anti gay, anti women's rights to dress and travel freely as long as you are an immigrant.

Yesterday on the news I saw a piece about "people" in Gaza- enjoying going into the sea for a swim. Enjoying being able to play football again. The journalist was telling us how "people" desperately needed this freedom, this hope. Not a woman in sight. Not "people" just men. Women don't matter in some countries/cultures. They are hidden. No one cares if women would like to swim in the sea or kick a ball. That is a freedom that they won't have missed as they never had it to begin with. Tragic.