Unfriending right wing friends

[nondrinker1985]

One of my school mum friends of around 10 years has started sharing loads of Restore Britain/Rupert Lowe posts.

I’m actually really shocked as she’s an Irish immigrant herself.

I’ve unfriended her which is a shame as day to day she’s ok. Also another mum who has been liking and commenting on the Restore Britain posts, they’ll probably tell me they’re not racist but I can’t be arsed calling them out.

What is stopping you or who is stopping you? What measures have you so far taken to emigrate here?

Do you know why the ECHR was set up? After World War Two to prevent… guess what? Fascism! To prevent governments committing atrocities to citizens. Where do you think we could go if the government decided we don’t have rights anymore without the ECHR oversight? Nowhere. Telling you it’s about immigration is a lie. The ECHR has overturned about 20 deportation attempts.

If they told you it was about anything other than immigration, people won’t vote for it. As it is, they are so misinformed and filled with hate and lies that they happily vote to strip THEIR OWN HUMAN RIGHTS AWAY! I mean 🤯

It’s like turkeys voting for Christmas.

I've found this committee session from 2023;

14 March 2023 - Post-Brexit UK-EU security cooperation – follow up - Oral evidence
https://committees.parliament.uk/event/17670/formal-meeting-oral-evidence-session/

I think if you read the oral evidence from Peter Ayling, International Crime Coordination Centre Lead at National Police Chiefs Council and Steve Rodhouse, Director General Operations at National Crime Agency, it will offer some reassurance, e.g.

We have made some good progress, I think, in minimising the issue of live time access. When the UK receives Interpol notices from member states, they now go through a process and almost all are available through the Police National Computer to officers on the front line within a small number of hours. [officers could then access this information within minutes]

There is no doubt that we would prefer to have kept SIS II, but the mitigation in place through the use of Interpol notices and relying on the I24/7 database has been shown to work. I think you can see that with the number of notices that are put on to the system and the work that has been sustained.

As of this month, the UK is now connected to 15 countries across the Prüm network for the sharing of DNA— that is 95% of all DNA profiles held in Europe—and 12 countries for fingerprint searching but with a further five countries to come on stream. That is a significant capability

I do not want to give an answer specifically around counterterrorism arrests, but I can certainly assure you that our officers are able to make arrests in the UK through the National Extradition Unit, and are doing so effectively. Equally the UK’s ability to access support and co-operation abroad from people is there.

They also discuss a new programme I-LEAP - described here;

Phase 1: will deliver connectivity to the fixed INTERPOL’s network database (FIND) system, providing real-time access to INTERPOL nominal data to UK policing, whilst expanding access to other INTERPOL datasets. These services are being rolled out nationally to policing, the UK Border Force, and the National Crime Agency (NCA).
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/home-office-major-programmes-accounting-officer-assessments/international-law-enforcement-alerts-platform-i-leap-programme

Starmer tried very much to get access to again in the EU with good reason, but they refused. It would've helped massively with the backlog of cases that they inherited.

At the end of 2024, the UK had the 5th largest backlog of cases - why didn't those other countries (France, Germany, Spain, Italy) deal with their backlogs much quicker?

If you on the left don't want open borders, you really should have come to the table long before now and had a reasonable discussion about caps on numbers, about the level of cultural change we're willing to accept, about sectarian voting, about deportation in the event of criminality, about all of it really.

There is no reasonable discussion to be had because at the mere suggestion of a conversation about it you (the left) start frothing and calling us racists, Nazis, fascists. And unfriending us apparently. I think the time for conversation has passed us by. You can either vote for Reform or the Greens at this point apparently, the Greens want open borders despite your protestations. Who should I vote for if I don't want open borders, which we apparently agree on, and I consider that to be the priority above all else?

I was FB friends with someone I knew peripherally (husband of someone I used to see now and again years ago). I knew he was right wing… was a fairly typical Tory about 10-15 years ago. He then became a Tory councillor and about a year ago he posted something indicating he was Reform. I blocked him the day he shared an overtly racist meme. Left or right wing…. That’s not a problem. Sharing offensive posts is.

First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Communist
Then they came for the Socialists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Socialist
Then they came for the trade unionists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a trade unionist
Then they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew
Then they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for me

Then it was the Jews, now it’s the Muslims and immigrants, but the pattern is the same!

triggers the population that really don't want the great to ever be back in Britain.

Trump-like sloganeering of that kind just reinforces the idea that those who trust Farage are simpletons.

It's pretty obvious to most people - even many on the right - that Trump is trashing the USA. Farage is itching to wreak the same havoc on poor old Blighty.

Vote for Reform then, I can’t stop you. As long as you’re sure that you want immigrants to suffer enough that you are willing to risk your own rights and those of your loved ones being trampled upon, as well as your country being destroyed beyond anything you’ve ever seen before, you fill your boots.

By the time Nigel has finished, immigration will pale into insignificance. They are telling you who they are. Restore look as bad as well.

You presume that i want immigrants to suffer and that a vote for Reform can only be born of some kind of malice and vindictiveness. You're wrong, I bear them no ill will.

My concern is for my own country. I'm not prepared to sacrifice it on the altar of misguided altruism and after three decades of "rubbing the right's nose in diversity" I've concluded that mass immigration is not a good thing and that it should end. Any party insisting on its continuation will not get my vote, in fact I'll vote for a party who opposes it. Thats democracy isn't it.

Genuine question, do you honestly think Reform care about women and children, because it seems to me they are weaponising horrific abuse of women and girls to validate their racism.

If they care about women and girls, why did they have James McMurdock in the party after his conviction for beating up his girlfriend?

Why did Farage not mention anything about his nephew being caught upskirting?

Why did he say Andrew Tate was ‘’an important voice for men’’?

Why did Reform vote against measures for the protection of women and children?

Why did he claim those girls hadn’t been groomed when they said the perpetrators were white?

Why does he patronise and belittle female journalists, saying things like, ‘’Listen love, I know you’re trying very hard’’ ?

Perhaps most importantly, why is he a sycophant to the most powerful rapist and child molester in modern times?

Yes, very protective indeed! And there’s probably more examples…

Like I said, okay then. You do what you like. Just be acutely aware of what might happen to you yourself as a result. It is your democratic right. I personally could never risk the possibility of my own rights being affected, no matter how much I desperately wanted something else to happen.

I’ve seen enough evidence to suggest that Reform/MAGA and the whole far right Christian nationalist movement is a case of ‘’be careful what you wish for’’, but others can’t and won’t, nothing I can do.

Anyway, I wish you well. I’m not here to argue. I’m just quite depressed we’ve got here in my lifetime, I won’t lie.

There isn't a single political party that 'cares about women and girls'. Even the Women's Equality Party sold out.

You can think that, but the point of the matter is, they’re claiming that they are so concerned about immigration because they care so deeply about women and girls when they so clearly don’t, and they keep proving it time and time again.

They only care about groomers and paedophiles and other criminals who are brown because it gives them a reason to be racist. Can you not see?

Before Brexit, the Easten Europeans were the problem, now this is just another scapegoat.

It’s so obvious. Fascism needs a scapegoat to proliferate, next it will be disabled people ( already started), childless people (already started) LGBTQ (already started with his comments on how straight couples make the best marriages), the ‘’radical left’’, benefit claimants. Legal settled immigrants, British nationals of African or Asian descent. They always need to constantly be blaming someone until there’s nobody else left,

You have no idea to what I'm referring? I suggest you consider whether you have the intelligence to take part in this debate.

This what the the Trump administration said they would do - they’ve been rounding up American citizens without warrants and putting them in camps because they don’t sound like they’re American or they don’t ‘look’ American. They’ve been taking people from workplaces and children from schools. Nigel Farage wants something similar to ICE here in the UK. They’ve blown peoples heads off in broad daylight for doing pretty much nothing but wrong place/wrong time - none of those people were ‘illegals’ either. This isn’t left wing propaganda, this is happening in America and you can easily find the information online.

its obvious some of these people don’t learn from history

Please do go ahead and point to where I’ve mentioned anything to do with validation. The point was that there are people who behave in hateful ways on social media by laughing at people drowning, and it’s absolutely fine to unfriend those people. Do at least try and keep up.

FACT CHECK: Sorry - I know facts are not what Reform supporters are into, but just to point out - migrants are NET contributors to the UK economy. Migrants in the UK pay approximately £110bn in taxes per year, and contribute to the generation of almost £400bn of our GDP.

Oh so it’s just the brown ones, then….?

No, just an article with the thousands and thousands of quotes calling for people to drown to drown. You haven’t posted anything to back this up.

I don’t welcome hyperbole, which is all you seem to be capable of posting.

So an Irish person can’t be brown?

You say that you could never do anything that could risk the possibility of your own rights being affected, but you, and much of the Left in general, seem blind to the fact that your self-righteous, hectoring and dismissive attitude to those you disagree with, is leading people to embrace Farage and the like out of frustration.

Your attitude is counterproductive, and is encouraging the very outcome you say you don’t want. If we get Reform government, it will be in no small part because of the overreach of the Left.

But who was doing the grooming of non Muslim girls in Rotherham in the first place? You surely can't be complaining that Reform are trying to do something about it?

No one is suggesting ALL asylum seekers are paedophiles and rapists but undoubtedly some are, and with those entering the country illegally, we literally have no idea who they are because they destroy their documents so they can’t be deported. Hard working and genuine migrants would apply to come here legally, where they can be checked and vetted. My parents both came here legally in the 1960s and the checks to enter the UK were stringent, as they should be. They’ve been British citizens for many years, I was born here. They watch GB news and they vote for Reform (prior to that, the Tories). One voted for Brexit, the other against, which was the only time in their marriage they have voted differently to each other. People’s concerns are personal, and their voting intentions go much deeper than their race. You’ll find many working immigrants, especially high earners, are right leaning when it comes to politics.

The trouble the left face is that they have reacted in such a hyperbolic way to people's genuine and reasonable concerns about societal change from massive immigration in the last few years that no one listens to them any more. No one can trust that the left have any solutions as they are more intent on labelling anyone with concerns as "racist" or "facist" and shutting people down.

Does anyone believe that Keir Starmer who has fought for Islamic terrorists to stay in the UK when he was a human rights lawyer (with that specialism) really wants to get a handle on immigration if it endangers his voting base? No. So obviously people look for alternatives like Reform. Perfectly sensible decision. And no one really cares what the loony left think of them for voting Reform anyway, as the left can't be trusted to hold reasonable opinions any more. Shame.