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To be shocked that this is happening in the UK in 2026

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Terfymcnamechange · 15/02/2026 21:31

https://x.com/jeanhatchet/status/2023017313327317331?s=46&t=N3lQrZ7NOBmzt0lfDUYXPA

Jean Hachet posted this today. Men going door to door in Sheffield looking for people who aren't boycotting Israel. The man grabbed one of the women by throat and headbutted her when challenged. Feels like something out of the 1930s

Jean Hatchet (@JeanHatchet) on X

There was a Jew hunt door to door in Woodseats Sheffield. We ended it within 15 mins because they didn’t like “Jew Hunt” shouting at them. They were collecting addresses of the non-supportive. The man in blue took our sign and then had Lightning Le...

https://x.com/jeanhatchet/status/2023017313327317331?s=46&t=N3lQrZ7NOBmzt0lfDUYXPA

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Pineneedlesincarpet · 16/02/2026 14:59

inamarina · 16/02/2026 12:26

True. Thousands, possibly tens of thousands killed by their own government within weeks, simply for protesting, and yet only a handful of threads about it on here (and even those fizzled out soon).

No Jews involved you see. It doesn't arouse such passions in certain types of people.

Mangelwurzelfortea · 16/02/2026 15:02

SpaceRaccoon · 16/02/2026 14:47

Israel withdrew from Gaza more than twenty years ago. The borders were controlled for the exact reason we all saw on 7 October.
How could there have been any steps taken towards self-determination under Hamas? Their key manifesto is literally to wipe out Israel?

War is shit, the deaths of those civilians are an absolute tragedy, but the blame lies firmly with Hamas, who welcome as many civilian casualties as possible as it's useful propaganda.
The food aid is another thing that gets used as propaganda - Israel and it's partner took over aid distribution exactly because it was being taken by Hamas and resold, the profits from that were propping them up. It wasn't some sort of evil plot to be cruel and starve people.

Ultimately, it's people cheering from the sidelines that keep emboldening this - Israel isn't going to take being attacked, or stop existing. The kindest, most loving thing supporters of Palestinians could do is to urge acceptance of that.

You are being disingenuous. Palestine elected Hamas BECAUSE they were frustrated at being oppressed by Israel, and the fact that previous more Israel-friendly administrations did nothing to change that situation. So, while Hamas was responsible for 7/10, again it didn't happen in a vacuum.

Pineneedlesincarpet · 16/02/2026 15:03

Mangelwurzelfortea · 16/02/2026 13:43

If they'd stuck to destroying the tunnels and killing Hamas fighters, that would probably have been acceptable to most of the international community. But that clearly isn't what's happened. If it was a normal war, journalists would be allowed in and allowed to report on it normally, but that wasn't allowed because Israel didn't want the world to see what was really going on - meaning everyone has had to rely on what Gazans report back, which Israel then immediately dismisses as Hamas propaganda and lies. Plus you've got the likes of Smotrich openly saying it's "justified and moral" to starve 2 million Gazans to death. Israel looks just as guilty of wanting to kill all Gazans as Hamas is guilty of wanting to destroy Israel.

But the protests against the Israeli reaction started before Israel had reacted.

Pineneedlesincarpet · 16/02/2026 15:04

DuchessofStaffordshire · 16/02/2026 13:23

Similarly, what did Israel think would be the consequence of subjugating Palestinians under an apartheid state?

But Palestinians were welcome in Israel and worked there.

Pineneedlesincarpet · 16/02/2026 15:06

inamarina · 16/02/2026 13:31

What should have Israel have done then, nothing?
Not tried to destroy the tunnels and get rid of as many Hamas fighters as possible?

The problem is Hamas started a war against Israel. But Israel are better at it than they are. Its a tragic story as old as time.

Its also not something the UK needs to be involved in over and above what is happening in our own country or the war in Europe.

SpaceRaccoon · 16/02/2026 15:09

Mangelwurzelfortea · 16/02/2026 15:02

You are being disingenuous. Palestine elected Hamas BECAUSE they were frustrated at being oppressed by Israel, and the fact that previous more Israel-friendly administrations did nothing to change that situation. So, while Hamas was responsible for 7/10, again it didn't happen in a vacuum.

"Being oppressed"? You mean Israeli reaction to the Second Intifada?

Basquervill · 16/02/2026 15:10

TheBreezyCat · 16/02/2026 03:25

Many of these "muh Palestine" lots are beta lefty boomer males who vote lib dem and live in nice areas with no immigrants.

Self loathing cucks.

The Jeremy Corbyn archetype 😆

Why is this hate speech allowed? Contempt for others is never ok.

Pineneedlesincarpet · 16/02/2026 15:11

DuchessofStaffordshire · 16/02/2026 14:27

Act in a proportionate manner that respects international law whilst minimising collateral damage. Can you not see the wider implications of Israel disregarding international law? Might it be a bit of a slippery slope?

You cant start a war against a much more powerful country and then complain about the way they fight back. Thats not how war has ever worked. Thats like us declaring war on China and then complaining when they flatten us in two days. We would hope we would not be stupid enough to start the war in the first place.

inamarina · 16/02/2026 15:20

Pineneedlesincarpet · 16/02/2026 15:04

But Palestinians were welcome in Israel and worked there.

Plus, there were many Israelis (like the ones living in the Kibbutz attacked on October 7th) who were active peace advocates and who provided humanitarian aid and support to Palestinians in Gaza, by offering employment and driving sick people to hospitals in Israel.

DifferentNameForQuestion · 16/02/2026 15:30

dancingredshoes · 16/02/2026 07:31

@TheBreezyCathaving been firmly left wing, it is these type of men (and women) that have made me sway back to the centre. The Pro Palestine movement is made up of misguided and misinformed aggressive protestors. Who include a small number of grannies to divert from the fact about how aggressive they all are. I also will never forgive this despicable movement for denying the horrendous sexual violence that took place on 7th October. If you’re against what happened in Gaza, then, from a human rights perspective, I would expect you to also be against Hamas and the atrocities they committed. The fact that the majority see Hamas as a bunch of sweet cuddly men is a no from me! Also, why do the never condemn any of the other Middle Eastern countries that refuse to help those in Gaza? The whole movement is a joke.

Yep this.

The 'But Palestine' brigade, often dont care for other middle eastern nations with problems eg Iran, Sudan (counted as part of the wider middle east) etc.

Eskarina1 · 16/02/2026 15:44

dancingredshoes · 16/02/2026 07:31

@TheBreezyCathaving been firmly left wing, it is these type of men (and women) that have made me sway back to the centre. The Pro Palestine movement is made up of misguided and misinformed aggressive protestors. Who include a small number of grannies to divert from the fact about how aggressive they all are. I also will never forgive this despicable movement for denying the horrendous sexual violence that took place on 7th October. If you’re against what happened in Gaza, then, from a human rights perspective, I would expect you to also be against Hamas and the atrocities they committed. The fact that the majority see Hamas as a bunch of sweet cuddly men is a no from me! Also, why do the never condemn any of the other Middle Eastern countries that refuse to help those in Gaza? The whole movement is a joke.

I've literally never heard anyone say hamas are sweet cuddly old men. They are terrorists and their actions on 7 October and at all other times are unacceptable.

It is not naive or uninformed to say that a declared genocide, one with demonstrated decisions that target non combatants and with a high child death rate is not an acceptable response.

Terrorists are by definition criminals. Governments are not supposed to be.

Pineneedlesincarpet · 16/02/2026 15:52

Eskarina1 · 16/02/2026 15:44

I've literally never heard anyone say hamas are sweet cuddly old men. They are terrorists and their actions on 7 October and at all other times are unacceptable.

It is not naive or uninformed to say that a declared genocide, one with demonstrated decisions that target non combatants and with a high child death rate is not an acceptable response.

Terrorists are by definition criminals. Governments are not supposed to be.

There hasn't been a "declared genocide" though. Whatever you mean by that.

SpaceRaccoon · 16/02/2026 15:56

Pineneedlesincarpet · 16/02/2026 15:52

There hasn't been a "declared genocide" though. Whatever you mean by that.

Edited

Quite. There has been no official ruling stating that at this stage. Yet I see it confidently pronounced time and again.

rosa17 · 16/02/2026 16:27

Pineneedlesincarpet · 16/02/2026 15:52

There hasn't been a "declared genocide" though. Whatever you mean by that.

Edited

Here you go - but then I'm sure you prefer some rando on Mumsnet over the world's leading association of genocide scholars
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cde3eyzdr63o

Male mourners carry a body during the funeral for Palestinians killed in strikes, according to medics, at Al-Shifa Hospital in Gaza City. Multiple men are carrying a body wrapped fully in a white shroud and placed on a metal stretcher, on their shoulde...

Israel committing genocide in Gaza, world's leading experts say

The world's leading association of genocide scholars cited several actions by Israel, including attacks on the healthcare sector and the killing of children.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cde3eyzdr63o

Pineneedlesincarpet · 16/02/2026 16:35

rosa17 · 16/02/2026 16:27

Here you go - but then I'm sure you prefer some rando on Mumsnet over the world's leading association of genocide scholars
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cde3eyzdr63o

I don't know why you have posted that as it confirms that there has been no legal ruling that a genocide has taken place. A genocide may or may not have taken place but that legal case will take years to bring to court in view of the evidence that will need to be collected. And of course the finding in that case may ultimately be that a genocide did not take place.

Theres a difference between a legal ruling of guilt or otherwise, and an opinion.

SpaceRaccoon · 16/02/2026 16:39

rosa17 · 16/02/2026 16:27

Here you go - but then I'm sure you prefer some rando on Mumsnet over the world's leading association of genocide scholars
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cde3eyzdr63o

Interesting article. So not all 500 panel members took part in this ruling, but only 28% of them. 86% of that 28% voted that it was genocide, so less than 25% of IAGS in total.

Hardly conclusive, if you look past the headline.

There has been no final ruling on the matter by the ICJ yet.

Pineneedlesincarpet · 16/02/2026 16:40

SpaceRaccoon · 16/02/2026 16:39

Interesting article. So not all 500 panel members took part in this ruling, but only 28% of them. 86% of that 28% voted that it was genocide, so less than 25% of IAGS in total.

Hardly conclusive, if you look past the headline.

There has been no final ruling on the matter by the ICJ yet.

There won't be for years if they do it properly. They will need properly access for a start, not rely on the word and figures provided by Hamas.

Its obvious why there's a keeness to use the word "genocide" of course.

inamarina · 16/02/2026 16:41

rosa17 · 16/02/2026 16:27

Here you go - but then I'm sure you prefer some rando on Mumsnet over the world's leading association of genocide scholars
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cde3eyzdr63o

People keep quoting the IAGS as some kind of authority, yet only 129 of their members voted on that particular resolution, out of approximately 500, so less than a third.
More importantly, there don’t seem to be any strict academic or professional prerequisites to become a “genocide scholar”.
According to their own website, “IAGS members are academic scholars, human rights activists, students, museum and memorial professionals, policymakers, educators, anthropologists, independent scholars, sociologists, artists, political scientists, economists, historians, international law scholars, psychologists, and literature and film scholars.”

ParmaVioletTea · 16/02/2026 17:11

Every day anti-Semitism.

So now you can all see it.

I haven't read all the thread, but at what point did the anti-Semitic apologists enter the chat???

ParmaVioletTea · 16/02/2026 17:14

Ahhh it's the 7th post.

Disappointing - I was hoping that there'd be over 20 posts before someone basically said:

It didn't happen

If it did, it wasn't as bad as they say.

If it was bad, then they probably deserved it.

YouAreTheCauseOfMyHeadache · 16/02/2026 17:16

inamarina · 16/02/2026 16:41

People keep quoting the IAGS as some kind of authority, yet only 129 of their members voted on that particular resolution, out of approximately 500, so less than a third.
More importantly, there don’t seem to be any strict academic or professional prerequisites to become a “genocide scholar”.
According to their own website, “IAGS members are academic scholars, human rights activists, students, museum and memorial professionals, policymakers, educators, anthropologists, independent scholars, sociologists, artists, political scientists, economists, historians, international law scholars, psychologists, and literature and film scholars.”

You can sign up to be an IAGS scholar with zero qualifications on the subject for $125 per year.
Then you can make fantastic statements that will be parroted around the likes of the BBC to be guzzled by those so inclined.

In the meantime Iran murdered over 36000 protesters in 2 days.
Israels toll has been 70k in over 2 years.

inamarina · 16/02/2026 17:30

YouAreTheCauseOfMyHeadache · 16/02/2026 17:16

You can sign up to be an IAGS scholar with zero qualifications on the subject for $125 per year.
Then you can make fantastic statements that will be parroted around the likes of the BBC to be guzzled by those so inclined.

In the meantime Iran murdered over 36000 protesters in 2 days.
Israels toll has been 70k in over 2 years.

Exactly, it’s absolutely bizarre. Imagine some other club open to whoever was willing to pay $125/ year called themselves „Experts for X/Y/Z“ and media decided to start quoting them as if they were indeed experts.
Iranians fighting and dying for their freedom don’t seem to be able to raise anywhere near the levels of outrage the war in Gaza did, I wonder why.

CarefullyCuratedFurniture · 16/02/2026 17:45

Ooh, I wish they'd come to my door. I truly, truly do...

dancingredshoes · 16/02/2026 18:10

@Eskarina1i have been waiting on every interview with a pro Palestinian activist to hear them denounce HAMAS, to criticise Middle Eastern countries who do NOTHING to help those in Gaza or to speak with outrage of the atrocities on 7th October. I hear nothing but silence at best and at worst saying the violence (particularly the sexual violence) was all propaganda and never happened!