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I read this ( not daily mail!) on MN -is this actually a true / statistical prediction?
I can send the link to the thread that stated this .
I have never heard this before . I assume that this is not accurate at all .( also assume applying to uk) .

Racism and downplaying of domestic violence.

This thread has it all.

Your endless mental contortions to excuse the inexcusable are still remarkable.

But just for entertainment purposes, what proportion of those arrested who had reports of DV against them do you think were counterprotestors?

You can say it, but I’m a bit nonplussed. British culture matters, as does any culture. But a particular skin tone? Why does that matter?

Would you also say that about BLM? if not, why not?

You're still putting words in my mouth.

What is it about having white skin that matters? What is it about having any colour skin that matters? Why are you obsessed with melanin content? I'm still mystified.

My take is that I want 100% of all people to thrive, and that the colour of their skin is completely irrelevant to that because skin colour is just a matter of appearance.

Say what about BLM?

Well what is it about having black skin that matters?
Like I said, double standards

That the colour of their skin doesn't matter, that we are all human so why use the term 'black',

Oh dear, have a think about that for a minute.
Why do you think something like Black Lives Matters needs to exist?

Are you genuinely saying that black people in many part of the world, especially the US, are not disproportionately affected by racial discrimination? I want no-one to be affected by racism. Unfortunately it happens everywhere and in all ethnicities - the young man imprisoned in Dubai for consensual sex was shopped by an Indian woman who undoubtedly had racist motivations against black people.

However, all you have to do is look at the data to show that both in the UK and the US, black people are disproportionately disadvantaged. That matters - not the skin colour, but the way people are treated because of prejudice.

I do wonder why you are not able to understand this.

Where white people are similarly disadvantaged, I will also call it out.

I'm not sure what the connection is. BLM as a campaign came about because black lives weren’t being protected appropriately. Racism was affecting the way the law was applied so actual people were suffering and being killed.
What I’m saying is the numbers of each colour are irrelevant.

I think you're getting a couple of things confused @Poetnojo
Does racism exist? Yes.
Should racism exist? No.

People saying racism should not exist doesn't immediately erase racists.

If we consider that there are two opposing sides in this thread for the most part, we seem to have agreed on two things:

1. Britain has a unique culture and identity
2. immigrants come from countries which also have unique cultures and identities, which they bring with them when they come to this country

If the native population becomes an ever decreasing minority, the culture and identity of the country will change in its entirety. I'm not going to sit here listing individual facets of British life that will change or be lost, if you can't or won't accept the broader point we've nothing else to discuss and we're wasting each other's time.

You are the one quoting incorrect stats re-convictions. How have I excused the inexcusable? I agreed with you that the majority of women were not lying.

But just for entertainment purposes, what proportion of those arrested who had reports of DV against them do you think were counter protestors?

10% maybe - around 10% of those charged in Bristol seemed to be counter-protesters. Also the domestic abuse reports also related to criminal damage in the home and other offences as well, so maybe some teenagers and women included rather than men.

Nobody seems clear on what they are talking about though. Immigration? A proportion of it is white European with a lot of the same cultural events (as well as differences, obviously). Or is it race? A lot of non-white people are British and share a culture with white Britains.

What is the native population? How long does a person have to have lived here to be deemed native?

There are lots of things now embedded in British culture which were introduced by immigrants. All cultures change over time.

Culture evolves, that's a positive thing. A civilisation with a static culture is dead.

I never said it was a recent development. You've named certain individual examples but its not systematic really.Obviously being a technically Christian country there has always been a Christian influence although that has reduced significantly to render it negligible in politics. I wouldnt say there was a significant Christian voting block for example. The violence in our history regarding religion (apart from N Ireland) happened a long time ago. So I think in that area we have now reached a good position for everyone. And I hope it doesnt change due to the influence of a different religion although I anticipate demographics will mean it will in time.

But will you concede that a large proportion of those arrested at the Southport and Asylum hotel riots had DV reports against them, and that therefore they were hardly beacons of protection from violence against women and girls? Because that is what this is really all about. I wonder why you felt the need to pick me up on this point, given that this group of British men would have been significantly overrepresented in the statistics concerning perpetrators (alleged or otherwise) against women and girls. Why do you wish to defend people like this?

More whataboutery. Would it be acceptable to say it about any other race? Actually, in the context, yes, I think it absolutely would.

If white people were being persecuted and systematically exterminated, then of course it would be racist to suggest that I didn't care if they died out. But that is not the scenario that we are facing here - not remotely.

And while white people might technically be a global minority, they are still a dominant force in the world and they are not actually disadvantaged by being a minority in the way that other minorities have been disadvataged through history. Quite the contrary.

So, if the relative proportion of white people is decreasing simply because white people themselves are choosing to have fewer children - a trend observed in educated women across the globe regardless of ethnicity - and/or because they are choosing to reproduce with partners who happen not to be white, then why would you think that was a problem? And why do you think I should care about it?

Can you explain exactly why you think it would be racist for me, as a white woman, to feel unconcerned about the choices that white people are making for themselves? Please try to explain this without trying to argue that it would be racist if you said it about another race, because that simply stand up to scrutiny.

But for the avoidance of any doubt, if black women were choosing to have fewer children for similar reasons, and/or if black people were choosing to have more mixed race children within the context of interracial relationships, then I would not care about that either.

I think it's entirely right that people should be free to make choices about their own lives, rather than feeling under some sort of bizarre pressure to reproduce simply in order to somehow sustain a race. Race is a social construct in any case.

Of course, it is legitimate to have concerns about the declining birthrate and how we are all going to support our ageing populations in the future. But that is a separate conversation entirely and has nothing to do with skin colour.

I've said repeatedly thay evolution of culture is fine. I'd also say that influence from some other cultures is good. Our culture changing as a result of mass immigration from Pakistan, Afghanistan, Somalia, Eritrea amongst others in perpetuity, to the point where the native population is an ever decreasing minority...please don't ask me to accept that the country will be better after that than it was before. It won't be.

We've already had a quite ridiculous circular and repetitive exchange in this thread, I'll politely decline the invitation for another.

I would normally say that a 'large proportion' was somewhat over 50% - I would agree with 'a significant minority though'. Plus I thought initially that over 1,800 people were arrested - we have some data on around 900 people (I see that the Guardian refer to 'people' rather than men by the way).

I wonder why you felt the need to pick me up on this point

If I had quoted stats regarding ethnic minority men and posted 'convictions' instead of 'reports' that would be ok with you? I seem to remember you being quite pernickety regarding data yourself.

Or in other words, you don't feel confident to enter into a debate about what constitutes "the native population".

Very wise.

@MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack
I take it back. I was reacting to that one line that sounded racist as a stand alone comment. The points you've since made sound valid and balanced and not at all racist. Apologies.