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I read this ( not daily mail!) on MN -is this actually a true / statistical prediction?
I can send the link to the thread that stated this .
I have never heard this before . I assume that this is not accurate at all .( also assume applying to uk) .

The fastest growing ethic group in the UK is the mixed group...

The ‘clan’ system incorporating extensive first cousin marriage, combined with extremely high use of postal voting especially for those who don’t speak English tend to produce ‘block votes’ guided by a small number of influential leaders.

Obviously there are lots of Muslims who don’t participate in this but many do. In some areas the mosque leaders are very influential. We saw this in Birmingham with their strong influence over WM Police. This is obviously replicated in many other police forces and council areas where the councils are run by Muslims.

The government are clearly very concerned to keep the Muslim votes onside hence their reluctance to deal with issues like first cousin marriage, the rape gangs enabled through their ethnicity and religion and the definition of Islamophobia. These are deeply unpopular with the general public but the government seem deaf to that.

https://themuslimvote.co.uk/

If you read the Q&A it is not at all how you are presenting it. It's nothing sinister.

The Telegraph has reported on this a bit. See below. Make of it what you will.

In 2024 in Leicester East the imans sent out messages endorsing the Lib Dem candidate but on religious grounds.

"Members of the community are told that it would be “unwise” for Muslims “not to choose a person of faith who promises never to compromise on Islamic principles”. The message goes on to say that Mr Haq is “Muslim, God-fearing, understands Islamic values and will always stand up for Palestine”."

Fears of ‘undue spiritual influence’ on voters as community leaders ‘highlight Islamic values’
Dossier of messages circulated in Leicestershire constituency ‘urges backing for named candidates’

Almost a decade ago, the mayor of Tower Hamlets was sensationally removed from office after an electoral court found him guilty of a string of “corrupt and illegal practices” including ballot rigging, bribery and buying votes.

But perhaps the most intriguing aspect of the judgement was that Lutfur Rahman was found to have exerted “undue spiritual influence” to win votes among the east London borough’s Muslim Bangladeshi community.

Put simply, this means using religion to pressure people into voting in a certain way. This was the first and only successful case of its kind since the 19th century.

Fast forward to this election, and there are once again fears of imams exerting “spiritual pressure” over Muslim voters – a type of election interference which is illegal under the Elections Act 2022.

The Sunday Telegraph has seen a dossier of messages which are being circulated among Leicester’s Muslim community, with religious leaders urging voters to get behind particular candidates.

Religious leaders backing Lib Dem
In one message, voters are told that the “ulama and the masaajid” of Leicester East, meaning religious leaders and mosques, are endorsing the Liberal Democrat candidate Zuffar ul Haq.

Members of the community are told that it would be “unwise” for Muslims “not to choose a person of faith who promises never to compromise on Islamic principles”. The message goes on to say that Mr Haq is “Muslim, God-fearing, understands Islamic values and will always stand up for Palestine”.

Labour signs were defaced with Star of David graffiti in the Harborough, Oadby & Wigston constituency in Leicestershire
Labour signs were defaced with Star of David graffiti in the Harborough, Oadby & Wigston constituency in Leicestershire
It notes that , Claudia Webbe, the constituency’s former MP, who is standing in this election as an independent, has also “spoken out for Palestine” but adds that “this is not a special favour”.

The message goes on: “Any decent human being should condemn genocide. As an MP expelled from Labour, it is politically advantageous for her to speak on the Palestinian issue.”

Ms Webbe was elected as a Labour MP in 2019 but has sat as an independent since 2020 when she was expelled from Labour following her criminal conviction for harassing a love rival.

Another message which is being sent around in Leicester East is titled: “Why we as the Muslim community should vote for Claudia Webbe.” It says that a vote for Labour or Conservatives is a “vote for genocide”.

There is no suggestion that Ms Webbe or Mr Haq are involved in circulating such messages.

The dossier has been passed to Leicestershire Police to investigate whether any laws have been broken, The Telegraph understands.

Issue ‘going on for decades’
Fiyaz Mughal, an interfaith campaigner who founded the charities Tell MAMA and Faith Matters, said the issue of religious leaders pressuring their communities to vote for certain candidates has been going on for “decades”.

But he went on to explain that it has become “much more widespread in this election”, adding that he has picked up on similar things happening in Luton, around Yorkshire and Lancashire, and in east London.

“For me it really truly crosses that line to undue spiritual influence as well as psychological and social influence,” Mr Mughal said.

“What we are also seeing is a hardening of this sense of Islamic identity. There is a lot more activity on WhatsApp and there is no way to monitor this stuff. Imagine there were messages sent around telling people to vote for a white candidate – there would be uproar.”

.....that's not how genetics work. It's not very complex, but it's more complex than that.

For instance, a mixed race couple I know have two kids, one of whom looks Afro-Caribbean and the other like a Viking. Each of them is likely to carry genes that will produce children who look like the other sibling.

The pp said "Exactly, why can no one say what traditions we have lost? If there were so many, you'd think someone would be able to say one.
I honestly can't think of multiple cultures and traditions that we have supposedly lost."

And my reply was Secular politics. Which is the most important one.

No, more like don't instruct me to retrieve websites for you when you can easily type it into Google yourself.

ok.

Why do people even bother going to university, if the can't get educated?! So I'll try to explain in simple terms.

There is no such thing as a static culture, it evolves over time. Think of societal attitudes towards homosexuality, or women in the workplace or inter-racial marriages.

This so called culture you're imagining is only exists in a moment in time.

Care to name a couple of so called British values?? Assume you'll try, and not respond to this..

Are you saying we lost secular politics?

I am not sure I understand what you are saying.

The thing is that if things continue the way they are, we will NOT be the majority in less than a generation. You calling it fearmongering doesn’t change the numbers.

The link to the academic models demonstrating this have already been posted.

Konstantin Kisin has some very helpful analysis on this in his podcast.

Exactly, how does she think she knows? I’m in my fifties, White British, my family is traceable here from the Norman invasion, so almost 1000 years. I’m an historian and so I have a good understanding of the ethnic makeup of the country and when, why and how it’s changed over the past two millennia. You will be able to read my posts here, OP. Do you still think that the narrative on this thread which questions your assumptions and prejudices is being made by, in your view, black and brown recent immigrants with an agenda to eliminate white people? Or might you, in this as in most of your other posts, actually be wrong about this?

"The dossier has been passed to Leicestershire Police to investigate whether any laws have been broken, The Telegraph understands"

When was this article published? Have there been any prosecutions?

Obviously pressurising people how to vote isn't a good thing but that article doesn't mean it is widespread. Also, it is very difficult to actually force people to vote in a way they don't want to, for obvious reasons.

Some of the article is very vague.

Muslim people wanting to vote for Muslim candidates who they feel might best represent their interests doesn't seem that unreasonable to me?

Ypur post didn’t make it at all clear what should be typed in. I mean, I can see it now, but you didn’t make it clear.

Lets talk about real numbers instead of small simple ones shall we? White British are in decline and the birth stats would back that up. White British women are having around 1.2 to 1.4 babies, which is putting the white British population in decline. And the majority of posters here seem happy about that.

How can it happen in ‘less than a generation’ when immigration is down?

"For the first time, the Muslim community has united and is acting as one at the ballot box, and we've come well-prepared."

It is literally Muslims voting as a bloc along religious lines in order to exert disproportionate influence

Im saying we are now seeing an increase in sectarian politics with the advent of the Gaza Independents and the "Muslim Vote" existence of which is being debated above.

2029 MP intake will show if this is on an upward trajectory.

Which British cultural tradition has your local council cut or denigrated in order to put up a few lights on the town hall for Diwali, or have the council leader wish people Eid Mubarak?

The single biggest change I can think of in "festive traditions they didn't have when I was younger" is that nowadays there are lots of Christmas markets, with stands selling pork-based Bratwurst and plenty of Glühwein. Not quite a Sharia takeover just yet.

Not all white British women will have white British babies in any case. Does it matter to you if they have mixed race babies instead?

What culture and traditions do you think we are losing?

I think it generally seems they are neither happy nor unhappy about it - they just aren’t that bothered. What’s your solution? Force women to have more babies?
I was just pointing out that a reduced proportion doesn’t in any way need a population in decline which was what the post I responded to said.

Wow. You really don’t understand equality legislation, do you? I’m amazed that so many posters are willing to display their ignorance so proudly when they haven’t a clue what they are talking about.

So first we have posters denying there’s any such thing as The Muslim Vote, and then grudgingly accepting it, but just screenshotting the “pro-democracy” bit.

Read further and it’s really not so good. We would not be having this discussion, that’s for sure, if the Islamophobia demands were met.

I could in theory vote for the Conservatives, Labour, Greens, LibDems, Reform… the Monster Raving Loony Party. But how could I vote for a party predicated specifically on one religion and its cultural wishes?