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Whites are becoming the minority by 2056Whites- are becoming the minority by 2056

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Thestarsmayalign · 14/02/2026 13:54

I read this ( not daily mail!) on MN -is this actually a true / statistical prediction?
I can send the link to the thread that stated this .
I have never heard this before . I assume that this is not accurate at all .( also assume applying to uk) .

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SugarPuffSandwiches · 15/02/2026 11:33

bemoresloth · 15/02/2026 11:33

Do you have links to these academic studies?

Maybe something without these triggering lefty buzz words

Cross posted with asking for sources

JustSomeWaferThinHam · 15/02/2026 11:37

MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack · 15/02/2026 11:29

My dd is not white.

I really can't imagine why the mere fact of her having dark hair, brown eyes and skin that tans a bit more easily than most could in any way put "British values" at risk. Or indeed why anyone else would feel threatened by her very existence.

The mind boggles.

It is not literally about your dds skin colour - no one is saying she is a risk to anyone.

I think this is part of the problem - these conversations have been silenced for so OP may have used clumsy language to try and express the concerns that many are feeling.

Dismissing everyone raising concerns as racist or right wing or labelling ‘theories’ as right wing and not to be discussed is part of the problem.

I came across a man on Facebook with a podcast called Nation of Sleepers who makes a lot of sense on this issue.

bemoresloth · 15/02/2026 11:37

SugarPuffSandwiches · 15/02/2026 11:33

Cross posted with asking for sources

Will it be some youtuber or maybe a post on X is the question.

marcyhermit · 15/02/2026 11:37

JustSomeWaferThinHam · 15/02/2026 11:28

It’s a shame that so many in this country are unable to recognise our English and British cultures for what they are to the extent where they claim that English or British culture doesn’t really exist.

Your claims also erase the cultural history of people who have moved into this country. Many immigrants are rightly proud of their heritage and traditions but in seeking to claim that a sudden influx over a short period of time (10-20 years) denies their influence and impact on those already here.

We have a very distinct national identity and ethos which is partly what draws people here. To pretend that isn’t really a thing is just untrue. To equate our national cultures and traditions with racism is disgraceful.

You can't say what culture or traditions you think you are going to lose though, other than racism?

cardibach · 15/02/2026 11:39

Poetnojo · 15/02/2026 00:09

Because they would be in decline, obviously 🙄

Not necessarily. Let’s reduce it to small and simple numbers.
Say that now there are 10 white people and 3 non white people. The white people are in the majority. Say after some generations (the time scale in the OP is nonsense incidentally) there are 20 white people but 21 non white people. Now white people are the minority. They aren’t in decline though. Their population just isn’t growing as fast.
Like many others, I don't really care what skin tone British people have though.

marcyhermit · 15/02/2026 11:40

How is it that 'culture and tradition' is so important, but no one can name a single culture or tradition that is going to be lost 🤔

Somerford · 15/02/2026 11:43

bemoresloth · 15/02/2026 11:37

Will it be some youtuber or maybe a post on X is the question.

David Coleman, who at the time (2010) was a demographer and academic at Oxford. The ensuing 16 years haven't proved him wrong have they?

MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack · 15/02/2026 11:43

JustSomeWaferThinHam · 15/02/2026 11:37

It is not literally about your dds skin colour - no one is saying she is a risk to anyone.

I think this is part of the problem - these conversations have been silenced for so OP may have used clumsy language to try and express the concerns that many are feeling.

Dismissing everyone raising concerns as racist or right wing or labelling ‘theories’ as right wing and not to be discussed is part of the problem.

I came across a man on Facebook with a podcast called Nation of Sleepers who makes a lot of sense on this issue.

This whole thread is about white people becoming a minority in the UK. Some posters seem concerned by this prospect.

So actually, it is quite literally about skin colour. How could it not be?

Some posters are trying to argue that it's about culture and values while presenting stats about skin colour. That makes no sense. My daughter's skin colour does not dictate her values.

ColdAsAWitches · 15/02/2026 11:43

JustSomeWaferThinHam · 15/02/2026 11:32

So erasing the English majority in England. If we are not the majority, it will not be possible to maintain our cultures and traditions at a national level.

Again, you're conflating colour with nationality. We were talking about skin colour changing. You have now just explicitly said that if you're not white, you're not English. At least your racism is obvious.

JustSomeWaferThinHam · 15/02/2026 11:45

MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack · 15/02/2026 11:10

This will no doubt get deleted, but if you have somewhere else to go, why don't you just take your nasty racist views and fuck off to your alternative destination sooner rather than later? And please take your kids if you have brainwashed them to be nasty racists too.

It’s not a ‘nasty racist view’ to say that white purple are being discriminated against in a number of cases though.

This has been proven in court with cases against the RAF, a U.K. police force, an U.K. council and some large corporate organisations. And those are just the ones proven beyond doubt in court, discrimination on grounds of race is quite hard to prove and it’s so difficult to go to court so with DEI initiatives so deeply embedded as well as settlements out of court, I’m sure there are more.

MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack · 15/02/2026 11:48

JustSomeWaferThinHam · 15/02/2026 11:45

It’s not a ‘nasty racist view’ to say that white purple are being discriminated against in a number of cases though.

This has been proven in court with cases against the RAF, a U.K. police force, an U.K. council and some large corporate organisations. And those are just the ones proven beyond doubt in court, discrimination on grounds of race is quite hard to prove and it’s so difficult to go to court so with DEI initiatives so deeply embedded as well as settlements out of court, I’m sure there are more.

The pp has frequently expressed her nasty racist views all over MN.

Your whataboutery doesn't change this. It is irrelevant.

bemoresloth · 15/02/2026 11:48

Somerford · 15/02/2026 11:43

David Coleman, who at the time (2010) was a demographer and academic at Oxford. The ensuing 16 years haven't proved him wrong have they?

His research is not without controversy especially wrt his objectivity

And he is the co-founder of Migration Watch UK

RingoJuice · 15/02/2026 11:49

MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack · 15/02/2026 11:48

The pp has frequently expressed her nasty racist views all over MN.

Your whataboutery doesn't change this. It is irrelevant.

That’s just your opinion. My views are hardly racist. Unless you think reality itself is racist (maybe you do)

cardibach · 15/02/2026 11:50

BlueJuniper94 · 15/02/2026 07:39

This is in direct reply to @cardibach but also in response to@marcyhermit@samarrange

"Your attitude to Welsh - that you could just move to any part of Wales and people would just deal with your English."

It's getting complicated so I'll respond quote by quote. Are you saying there are parts of Wales where nobody speaks English? What is my attitude, I still don't understand.

"What have we lost of British culture? Given you don’t really value the local languages, it can’t be the decline of Gaelic you are thinking of - so could you give me another example of something we have lost. If there’s ‘so much’ it should be easy."

Where did I say I didn't value local languages?

Like I said in a previous post, there is not one single thing we have lost that you wouldn't see as a win. Mostly the losses are a result of urbanisation and the cultural dominance of television and now digital media. The soft American imperialism that has brought. Young children speaking with American accents, the loss of regional accents. In 2017 Robert MacFarlane published a beautiful book called Lost Words, lamenting the removal of words like Acorn, bluebell, kingfisher, otter and willow from the 2007 Oxford Junior dictionary, because children don't use these words anymore. They were replaced with blog, broadband and voicemail. This symbolises a loss of connection between children and nature. A loss of literacy rates among children, a precipitous decline in educational standards particularly in Scotland, kids can barely read nowdays compared to the standards of literacy even a poor child 60 years ago would have had. They're taught nothing but the bare minimum about history, and essentially just giant violent daycare centres which focus on churning out individualistuc consumers and workers than trying to educate and cultivate virtue. And how can teachers teach when they're expected to parent them aswell - loss in school readiness. We've lost our ability to defend ourselves, We've lost our industry, We've lost our ability to build beautiful buildings or make beautiful art. We've lost our high streets, which are now vape shops and Turkish barbours. People no longer 'first foot' at new year. Everyone did it, now nobody does. The doors are locked. The rates of depression and anxiety are through the roof and continue to grow, many young people can barely function in this new utopia, drug deaths and 'deaths of despair' rising. We've lost reciprocity, mutuality and solidarity. Going to church, Sunday Best, the sabbath, we've lost our shared sense of a common good, our dignity, our manners. 'Multicultural' means no culture, just everything in the blender until you're left with beige, nobody can feel 'other' when culture has been reduced to the thinnest gruel. Bowling Alone by Robert Putnam came out over 25 years ago. And many books and studies have been written about the impact of globalisation, but nobody who spends their lives endlessly coping would read something that disagreed with their cherished world view.

"Edit: I’m confused by you citing differences being bigger before when you have talked about British culture and minimised countries’ cultures. You started by saying what different cultures in Britain, for eg."

I was trying to highlight the extent to which the cultural distinctions in between the nations of and regions within Britain have been flattened over the past hundred years. Almost completely is my point. I don't see what is confusing about that and wonder if maybe you're arguing with a caricature of me rather than what I am actually saying.

Won, there are very few people in Wales who don’t speak English functionally any more, but lots who are more comfortable in Welsh. I’m not sure why that changes what I was saying.
I agree with you about the loss of c9nnection to nature, and the loss of those words - have you listened to Spell Songs? It’s from a book about just such words. Beautiful music based in British words - some of the musicians aren’t white, mind you. What I don’t understand is how that loss of connection with nature is anything to do with immigration. It’s to do with lots of changes to a British culture - industrialisation, increased traffic meaning it isn’t safe for chikdren to play outside alone as much, the need for dual income so less time for parents to pass on their own knowledge. My dad taught me about wild flowers and trees and then he also taught my daughter (I did as well, but he was instrumental) because he’d retired and I worked and he looked after her after school.
I don’t recognise most of your points about education but as a (recently ex) teacher I would say that I guess. There have been changes, and recently huge ones, in concentration levels, associated behaviour and so on, but again that’s not to do with immigration.

Can you identify anything that’s changed because of immigration?

MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack · 15/02/2026 11:52

RingoJuice · 15/02/2026 11:49

That’s just your opinion. My views are hardly racist. Unless you think reality itself is racist (maybe you do)

Yes, it is my opinion. Founded on my observations across many threads. The fact that you don't agree is not surprising. Racists very rarely admit to being racist in my experience.

Somerford · 15/02/2026 11:52

bemoresloth · 15/02/2026 11:48

His research is not without controversy especially wrt his objectivity

And he is the co-founder of Migration Watch UK

It doesn't matter whether you find him controversial or not. You wanted a source that wasn't a YouTuber, you got an academic from Oxford. And the data is proving him right.

Pineneedlesincarpet · 15/02/2026 11:52

marcyhermit · 15/02/2026 11:37

You can't say what culture or traditions you think you are going to lose though, other than racism?

Secular politics.

ColdAsAWitches · 15/02/2026 11:55

Pineneedlesincarpet · 15/02/2026 11:52

Secular politics.

Is that a joke? You're in a country where the head of state is the head of the church, and is one of very very few where religious leaders are automatically part of the government system.

JustSomeWaferThinHam · 15/02/2026 11:56

ColdAsAWitches · 15/02/2026 11:43

Again, you're conflating colour with nationality. We were talking about skin colour changing. You have now just explicitly said that if you're not white, you're not English. At least your racism is obvious.

No, I am saying that English exists as an ethnicity in the same way that Spanish, Nigerian or Chinese exists as an ethnicity. I haven’t commented on the exact definition of that ethnicity but I think the confusion of this has contributed to the issues.

I am not being racist - deeming every discussion about ethnicity and being English as racist is not helpful. In fact it is contributing to the problem. It is not racist to say that English is an ethnicity. Do you have the same issue with the Welsh?

Konstantin Kisin has some very helpful analyses of this. FWIW I think that op has inadvertently been a little clumsy in their point That is the trouble winning attempt to talk about is met by abuse and accusations of racism. Ideas cannot be usefully challenged or refined. This is why debate is useful.

bemoresloth · 15/02/2026 11:59

Somerford · 15/02/2026 11:52

It doesn't matter whether you find him controversial or not. You wanted a source that wasn't a YouTuber, you got an academic from Oxford. And the data is proving him right.

I am just adding some background information.

JustSomeWaferThinHam · 15/02/2026 11:59

ColdAsAWitches · 15/02/2026 11:55

Is that a joke? You're in a country where the head of state is the head of the church, and is one of very very few where religious leaders are automatically part of the government system.

Are you aware that our head of state is very explicitly NOT involved in the politics though? He appoints the government as elected by the people. Democratic secular politics.

BlueJuniper94 · 15/02/2026 12:00

cardibach · 14/02/2026 21:20

And that’s the type of attitude peiple in the Welsh speaking areas of Wales hate. They can speak English - but why should they? It’s cultural arrogance. The same as thinking ‘white British’ culture is superior.

Can we dig into this perception of cultural arrogance here - are you saying you resent English speakers expecting Welsh people to speak a language they already speak fluently?

pointythings · 15/02/2026 12:10

I think that equating 'English' to 'White' is well dodgy.

Would all those people doing this on this thread care to explain why they think you can't be English if you aren't white?

RingoJuice · 15/02/2026 12:15

JustSomeWaferThinHam · 15/02/2026 11:56

No, I am saying that English exists as an ethnicity in the same way that Spanish, Nigerian or Chinese exists as an ethnicity. I haven’t commented on the exact definition of that ethnicity but I think the confusion of this has contributed to the issues.

I am not being racist - deeming every discussion about ethnicity and being English as racist is not helpful. In fact it is contributing to the problem. It is not racist to say that English is an ethnicity. Do you have the same issue with the Welsh?

Konstantin Kisin has some very helpful analyses of this. FWIW I think that op has inadvertently been a little clumsy in their point That is the trouble winning attempt to talk about is met by abuse and accusations of racism. Ideas cannot be usefully challenged or refined. This is why debate is useful.

Chinese and Nigerian are more akin to ‘British’ in that it’s a nationality and not an ethnicity.

For example, Han Chinese is the ethnicity most associated with China, which is roughly 92% of the population.

Han Chinese culture is, of course, what people associate with ‘China’ and ‘Chinese’.

If they were only 50% of the population, it would be a far messier country, a lot more conflict than even now.

Lot of the border regions in fact don’t feel particularly ‘Chinese’ which is why they settle Han Chinese migrants into places like Tibet and Xinjiang. They intentionally aim to swamp those places with Han migrants and lessen local identity. The train line to Lhasa, for instance, has been a huge blow to Tibetan identity.

They say one-third of Lhasa is now Han Chinese. It felt very Chinese in the urban core for sure, you had to go into the countryside to feel ‘real Tibet’.

5128gap · 15/02/2026 12:19

JustSomeWaferThinHam · 15/02/2026 11:45

It’s not a ‘nasty racist view’ to say that white purple are being discriminated against in a number of cases though.

This has been proven in court with cases against the RAF, a U.K. police force, an U.K. council and some large corporate organisations. And those are just the ones proven beyond doubt in court, discrimination on grounds of race is quite hard to prove and it’s so difficult to go to court so with DEI initiatives so deeply embedded as well as settlements out of court, I’m sure there are more.

5% of white people report race discrimination in the workplace compared with 69% of POC. 70% of victims of racial hate crimes are POC. The 30% who are not includes white people of non British nationality experiencing discrimination because they were not white AND British.
The very fact that you have been able to identify cases where there was found to be discrimination against white people demonstrates that in the cases where white people are victims, the law clearly works well to protect us.
So I'm struggling to see what you're concerned about. A problem effecting a tiny proportion of white people, appropriately addressed on the rare occasions it occurs.

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