Reform wants women barefoot and pregnant

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Reform candidate Matt Goodwin wants women to have children early in life and introduce extra taxes as punishment for anyone who chooses not to have children.

Misogyny in plain sight.

How long till they ban abortion too?

Women voting Reform may want to consider if they are turkeys voting for christmas.

That is a part of it but the birth rate is dropping almost everywhere in the world. There is the same push in America for more babies too. I think it is less about British babies than white babies though to Reform that might be the same thing. The US is also worried about the lack of white babies. It does all tie into techno-feudalism and why folks like Elon Musk think those with "superior" genes need to have a lot more children.

Yes the birth rate is dropping but the big impact at the moment is a massive increase in life expectancy, both of survival of children and longevity of adults. There's a long, long way to go on that before we won't have millions clamouring to live in the UK.

And that's without even considering people fleeing war and famine caused climate change.

These political and religious moves are all about preserving the native culture and not further diluting the white majority, they are precious little to do with breeding future workers.

If you do not what to import future workers you have to make them. It becomes about both because of that choice. We have a system that relies or rather expects on having an endless source of future workers. It is a pyramid scheme.

True, but we have already established all of that.

Given the work place is likely to be unrecognisible due to AI and other automation improvements.
All this has been known about for years, importing workers is and was crazy.

We've less than 650k vacancies in the UK and even that might be rather optimistic, yet net migration is still over 200k p.a

No. @OutsideLookingOut is correct. There are elements of Populism, some of it right wing Nationalism sentiment sweeping across many countries at present. Clearly, lots of people in these countries feel that there has been too much immigration and that some of the immigrants don't fit in well. Whether the politicians think this is quite another matter. Politicians, at least those at the top of the tree, are motivated by playing politics and improving their own career prospects. Few of them seem to have principles (I'm sure some of the back benchers do but not those who climb to the top of the greasy pole nowadays). The political system in the UK and many other Western countries has been Neoliberalism, which involves importing cheap Labour to keep wages low. That is how it works and why the UK and other countries have seen so much immigration in recent decades. It is deliberate!

Reform aren't speaking for your values either. They are pro big business, funded by fossil fuel companies, they are more likely to cut services which will affect you and your children than increase them. They are far more likely to give tax cuts to the super rich rather than helping families. They won't value your contributions either because they don't value women or anything they do.

I don't know what the answer is, but Reform isn't it. I don't want my children to grow up in an environment where women are treated as second class citizens. I want them to have choices and rights.

The biggest impact on both parents working is house prices, and Reform are not going to fix that. If anything, they are further to the right than Thatcher and she kick started the housing crisis by selling off the council houses and stopping councils from using the proceeds of the sales to replace them.

“about”,…
delighted to read your estimates, good thing you aren’t organising space flights?
Can’t honestly say, that simply because some folk in UK are christians would necessarily mean that any of them (in present day) actually desire to convert those of other religions into christianity??
Not at all sure you are perfectly understanding written english, so this will be my final response to you.

I disagree. Lots of women don’t want to put their children into childcare, they want to look after them themselves.

Maybe we should be enabling that more than trying to get children straight into childcare when so many parents don’t want it and it’s worse for the child.

I don't know why you've quoted me, that is all correct but not in conflict with anything I've written.

I think it is more about preserving British culture.

Things like attitudes to gender equality, women’s rights, freedom of speech, open debate, freedom to criticise, individual rights, secularism, same sex marriage.

Reform is opposed to several of those.

And making housing affordable is key to that, so that families can live on one income.

Other than that, choice matters. Not every woman wants to be financially dependent.

I’d say all of them.
Any woman supporting Reform (who take their direction from Steve Bannon and please look up what he thinks women’s lives should be like) is mentally unstable and downright wicked.

Reform/MAGA Inc. do not support those values.

I strongly disagree with coining them 'mentally unstable' as that's been a misogynist argument through the ages. There are very strong women on the conservative right but people can be either wicked or genuinely misguided in their logic. Happens with smart people all the time. I like to take Serena Joy's character in the Handmaid's Tale as such as example. Here is a character who is convinced of her ideology, strong (certainly), articulate and yet the biggest turkey voting for Christmas in all of modern literature.

Farage, Lowe etc want to return illegals overstayers, fake universities, fake marriages and non contributing immigrants - if a magic wand made this happen overnight how many homes GP places school places prison places etc would it free up and how many rapes and murders and crimes would it prevent. Then how much would we save?

Bannon, friend of Epstein

That’s a fair point. Some of the (both sexes) ranting I’ve seen on social media does veer towards the unbalanced though!

I love seeing copy/paste low-quality AI slop, poorly fact-checked if at all, presented as valid evidence.

So lazy.

Not as much as you think. We are all poorer because of extreme capitalism. Brown “illegals” are fake bogeymen used to distract us whilst we live in a society where there are billionaires who don’t pay their tax. Even Farage doesn’t pay his taxes.

I'm glad you mentioned "Magic Wand"

First, we would need to be identified, then arrested, held in secure locations, finally deported but to where? many would have been here for years, have children born here, would Farage chuck them into care and without parents?

How does Farage intend to deport back to countries that either are not possible to deport to ie war zone or these countries no longer accept they are their citizens?

I'm not at all suggesting we do nothing (Labour have at least sent back 70,000 people not supposed to be here) but to send back the around 1m thought to here illegally, would be v difficult and v expensive.

Fake Uni's Marriages ete, of course these need closing down.

I'd imagine any policy would start with those arriving in the immediate present (the future present that would be as clearly this gov aren't going to do anything). The need would be to create a deterrent and stem the flow will always be the best way to deal with any issue. Lots of criminal gangs behind people trafficking would move to other criminality, but at the moment there is nothing stopping them from just doing the same day in/day out.

I've looked up how Reform intend to deal with this issue and the information isn't difficult to find, so I'm sure people can find that if they wish. Simply doing nothing is not an option.

So with an Overton window now swinging freely in the wind, the issues are being discussed. People that are used to shutting down debates with the hackneyed accusations are now reaching for the smelling salts. It really isn't considered acceptable that WC people should complain about living with the results of the last 30+ years of various government policies starting with Blair gutting of the Civil Service collective memory and difficulties to implement what an electorate has voted for. So lots of work will be required to unpick Blair's reforms, but no it isn't too late as more people are aware and wishing for an overhaul. Hopefully either a Conservitive party that develops back bone or Reform will start that process.

How long before the people who keep shouting down those of us warning that Reform are the Nazi Party realise that they are, in fact, the Nazi Party? This is straight out of Hitler's playbook.

Have you looked at how feasible Reform's plans are and what the cost will be?

Returning asylum seekers to France sound simple, the reality is not.