Reform wants women barefoot and pregnant

[Sweetiedarling7]

Reform candidate Matt Goodwin wants women to have children early in life and introduce extra taxes as punishment for anyone who chooses not to have children.

Misogyny in plain sight.

How long till they ban abortion too?

Women voting Reform may want to consider if they are turkeys voting for christmas.

It refers to people voting for political parties on religious lines. So "the Muslim vote" indicates the existence of sectarian politics. Or the Gazan Independents. I expect we will see an increase in those sorts of MPs in future. I don't think it's a promising development.

Reform is a MAGA offshoot and MAGA runs on Christian nationalism.

Doesn't mean the woman has to become a SAHM to receive the tax break presumably? How is it any different from being a working mother in today's society aside from suffering less financial burden?

Reform is not a "MAGA offshoot". It came from Ukip and the Brexit party.

Christian nationalism and Christianity is much more prevalent in US politics than here. We aren't the US. Our laws are based on Christian teachings of course, as we are an ancient country. But there isnt a "Christian" vote as such and bishops dont tell us how we should vote as a general rule.

Hitler was an exceptionally troubled and twisted human being who idealised the innocence of animals and protected them out of sentimentality whilst displaying unprecedented levels of cruelty to his fellow human beings.
Nazi Germany was not a beacon of anything other than a warning for the ages on how humanity can plumb the depths of depravity.

Reform is not a "MAGA offshoot"

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Oh my goodness!

Stalin's Soviet Union. Those lefty dictators again!

You are either naive or ignorant if you refuse to acknowledge the obvious links between both movements/parties.

How naive do you think many of us are!

The idea is that everybody pays more tax and mothers get a tax break. The government receive higher net tax income and women are less penalised for being mothers and able to benefit from working to a much greater extent.

But of course the bulk of society probs won't want to pay more to support women/the next generation as enough people already complain about it.

Statistically it’s below average but in the real world it’s no big deal, most of the parents I see I think had their first in their early twenties either that or they’ve aged insanely well. Quite a few of my friends with children had them late teens/early 20s. I was the youngest at 16 obviously but then being 24 with a baby feels extremely unremarkable.

Then I go online and see people (not just on here but other sites as well) saying 24/25/ even 26 is too young and saying they don’t know anyone having children that young. I know it’s true statistically but it just doesn’t stack up with what I see around me and I live in a normal area not a poor area or an area full of hyper religious types.

A start would be if you could back those numbers up with facts

And dare I mention Epstein....

Are you actually trying to use a hat as some sort of argument?

We live in the UK by the way. We don't live in the US? We aren't the same?

I think you’d be surprised.

Stalin was a dictator- any extremes in politics is a bad thing.

I read the Reform aims on their website ,as I wanted to know their hopes and intentions. They want to remove the Human Rights Act. Everything is underpinned by the Act. It would threaten us all. Likewise, remove Equality, Diversity and Inclusion. That will impact many people, including those with any disabilities for example. Reduce the ability of the Courts to act as a balance on any Reform Government policy. More unchecked power. Again, not in our interests but certainly in theirs. Or how about introducing compulsory health insurance? Reform want that. It’s on their website . Scapegoat parts of our population? Happening already and very reminiscent of dark moments in 20th century history. One of their representatives has recently said that a piece of paper, I imagine he means a birth certificate or passport, does not necessarily make someone British. Well, I was born in Britain 63 years ago,.. I’ve lived in Britain ever since. I have all of the paperwork any British person could have, so what can he mean? I think we know. Im just an ordinary person and I am sickened with the racism and hate in this country. I was shocked but not surprised when I read their stated aims.

I agree, it’s not a big deal. It’s not a big deal to most people how old anyone is when they have their kids, because mostly people are busy getting on with their own lives. I wouldn’t take MN as a microcosm of reality at all.

It goes way beyond the stupid hat. There is a script, and an ideological playbook which has been discussed across many threads and is being highlighted again and again by defenders of liberal democracy. That playbook is being followed to the letter by Reform and other populist parties around the world. They have access to the same deep pockets.

No everything is not underpinned by the Human Rights Act. How do you think we functioned before Tony Blair?

The courts are not a balance to government. They are there to enforce and apply the law made by Parliament, not make up their own laws.

The point is you need to judge policy on its merits, not on who may have enacted it before

This is incorrect. His suggestion was that people without more children pay more tax, and also mothers of more than two children get a tax break.

We all pay to support the next generation already.

Well we did export democracy to the world. It seems other countries are allowed to take ideas from each other. And if somehow transposing the "playbook" for US electoral system leads to a Reform government in the UK (Im not 100% sure of your argument here) then thats what voters want.

My suggestion is see what's in the Reform manifesto and then decide based on their stated policies.

No, we aren't the same but we will be if Reform get in with their corporatist lassiez- faire and evangelical Protestantism policies!

Well they should wake up and smell the coffee then before it's too late and we become the 51st state!