To think male nursery workers should be banned for safety reasons?

[Carla786]

I KNOW most men who work in them are fine but sexual abuse in nurseries is overwhelmingly committed by men. No more men, much less abuse risk.
Yes we need more CCTV etc to watch bad women but it cuts SA risk immeasurably.

We can still have male primary teachers etc kids are old enough to speak up then.

And yes, you can ban on the basis of sex for safety reasons. In women's refuges, eg.

They're slowly getting it!

As women have done harm of varying kinds too, then let's ban women too. Ban nurseries. Watch your own children. Problem eliminated.

I'm not saying either, but the OP has started a thread damning all male nursery workers over here based on Australian stats, so she's being disingenuous.

Exactly, when I was at secondary school one of my friends had a 'manny'. She was really fond of him. I am NOT opposed to men in caring roles. Saying ONE caring role should be off limits doesn't mean men should be barred from all!

I'm not happy for my precious DC to be fodder in these men's minds, thanks.

Where have I damned them all? I've said most are fine but the risk is too high.

I've seen some horrendous statistics about the proportion of men that have these tendencies and there wasn't large difference worldwide. I can't bring myself to search though because it was too disturbing.

I wonder what men's forums would say?

I might do a comparative thread on one.

It would certainly open up that possibility though. Not to mention potentially banning women from some roles too if the law no longer protects against gender discrimination in the work place.

This. With all the recent stuff about a male nursery worker, the report is sickening and shocking. And I am all for not allowing men in that space. I know it’s not rationale but I am beyond caring after what I read.
however, that nursery had a duty of care to its children and it failed spectacularly. It is absolutely disgusting how this man was allowed to get away with the abuse. This was not a one off incident. This was on multiple occasions for long periods of time. It’s made me question everything.
nurseries and their staff have a duty of care. Safeguarding training and whistleblowing need to be a high priority. Policies need to be crystal clear and followed.

Okay, so a survey of teachers by early years charity Kindred Squared showed one in four children are starting school in Reception aren't toilet trained, meaning teachers are expected to help them go to the loo. Shall we ban men from working as Reception teachers too?

I don't see where the OP was talking about banning men in UK nurseries only, I assumed this was a generalised discussion. Plenty of Mumsnet users aren't in the UK (I'm not). The OP clearly noted the study was Australian.

You want men banned from working in nurseries full stop. That's damning them.

Here is one case of a male care worker sexually abusing 3 vulnerable elderly men. There are many others.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=news.stv.tv/west-central/glasgow-care-home-worker-who-molested-three-elderly-men-jailed-for-two-years&ved=2ahUKEwiQmY6XxNeSAxWMnf0HHbIuBcUQFnoECBwQAQ&usg=AOvVaw22T3NgZqVFUmFWxV0tyu76

Not to mention more and more SEN children who are in mainstream and may also need help with toileting. Some may be non verbal or have limited speech too.

You'll find ready made discussions with men's comments on social media.

Absolutely. There’s absolutely no reason to believe the proportion of men with a sexual interest in children varies significantly from country to country. It’s obviously possible that the proportion of them who seek work with children is lower in this country, but we just have no idea.

It's crazy parents are not toilet training. This needs to stop ASAP. I know life is getting harder but this is basic.

I think this thread is a great example of how some women must be seen to go to the ends of the earth to defend men's image, even knowing what we all know about them, up to and including dragging their own sex's image in the mud. In reality and in private, they definitely make decisions about unknown and unrelated men to protect their children. We all do because we all know what many men are like.

Disclaimer, men have some wonderful qualities, on average. But they are more dangerous, sorry to say it

Hopefully..

I don’t think it’s ‘damning’ them. It’s stopping them from working in nurseries. There are millions of other jobs they’re more than welcome to do, and probably better paid and more respected too.

Children are more likely to be abused by family members than unknowns.

I just treat men and women equally - I don't trust any of them with my children. Equal opportunity distrust.

But then it's just giving the message that only women are capable of childcare. That's so regressive.

I haven't said that!

What I said was that men who DO want to abuse kids are disproportionately likely to seek out jobs with young kids. That is documented.

I know MOST who work with young kids are not

This was about nursery workers, I've said that I support male primary teachers.

Thing is, most people would be quite disgusted to change a random 4 year olds nappy. Teachers go into teaching to teach, I doubt any have it in their minds that they're going in to change nappies.
Nursery workers know this is a large part of the job, that they'll be getting close to the intimate parts of dozens of pre-schoolers every day.