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To ask if you're looking forward to the "re-imagined" Wuthering Heights?

221 replies

Toeragg · 11/02/2026 22:34

I can't wait! Jacob Eldori's wig looks a bit dodgy in the first part but he scrubs up well when Heathcliff becomes rich. Not sure about the Yorkshire accent.

Margot Robbie looks a bit too old and glowy to be Cathy but I'm there for the frocks, the interiors and the scenary!

Anyone else going?

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RhannionKPSS · 12/02/2026 13:23

The best version is the stunning Timothy Dalton & Anna Calder Marshall version from the 70s.

Aluna · 12/02/2026 13:25

Gloosh · 12/02/2026 13:18

I think Jacob Elordi is well cast. The way Healthcliff is described in the book doesn't suggest that he is black or Asian. He is described as a swarthy 'gypsy', so someone of Basque descent is pretty on the mark. Margot Robbie is terrible for this role though. I think if you're going to go so off-piste in your interpretation why not just write a new story?

He’s described as a “dark-skinned gipsy”, a “little Lascar or an American or Spanish castaway”.

Gipsy = Romani = ethnically from N.India
Lascar = sailors from India/S.Asia.

persephonia · 12/02/2026 13:29

Aluna · 12/02/2026 13:25

He’s described as a “dark-skinned gipsy”, a “little Lascar or an American or Spanish castaway”.

Gipsy = Romani = ethnically from N.India
Lascar = sailors from India/S.Asia.

I think the whole point is they don't know so it's left deliberately vague. He doesn't know himself either. He could be Indian/Gypsy or he could be mixed race as there were many cases of wealthy men having affairs/seeing mistresses overseas or in port cities and then raising the children as their own or as "foundlings". Including mixed race children- there were some very famous examples
Which would explain Heathcliffs colouring but would also be the darkest interpretation since it would make the main characters half siblings.

But the whole point is, noone actually knows in the book.

persephonia · 12/02/2026 13:30

An American castaway suggests either native American or even African American I think.

FizzySnap · 12/02/2026 13:39

persephonia · 12/02/2026 13:29

I think the whole point is they don't know so it's left deliberately vague. He doesn't know himself either. He could be Indian/Gypsy or he could be mixed race as there were many cases of wealthy men having affairs/seeing mistresses overseas or in port cities and then raising the children as their own or as "foundlings". Including mixed race children- there were some very famous examples
Which would explain Heathcliffs colouring but would also be the darkest interpretation since it would make the main characters half siblings.

But the whole point is, noone actually knows in the book.

No, it’s just Emarld Fennell’s fanfic and she wanted this guy to play the sexy Heathcliff. There really is no deeper meaning.

There was never going to be an ethic male actor because that doesn’t fit her vision from when she read the book as a teenager (and misunderstood everything).

persephonia · 12/02/2026 13:43

FizzySnap · 12/02/2026 13:39

No, it’s just Emarld Fennell’s fanfic and she wanted this guy to play the sexy Heathcliff. There really is no deeper meaning.

There was never going to be an ethic male actor because that doesn’t fit her vision from when she read the book as a teenager (and misunderstood everything).

Agree. By they don't know and it's left vague, I meant the characters in the book don't know and the author left it vague!
I think really, at the point you are knee deep in your dead (lovers?) grave (which you've unearthed in order to take her wedding ring as part of a convoluted plan to take revenge on those who wronged you via the next generation), you should probably have a word with yourself and consider if this sort of love is actually healthy. Maybe get therapy.
I like the novel. But it's not romantic in the sense of valentine's day romantic. Aaargh.

DuchessofStaffordshire · 12/02/2026 13:44

Regresstigress · 11/02/2026 22:42

No, it looks terrible. I’ll re-read the book.

God, you're brave! I'd rather top myself than read it again.

ShawnaMacallister · 12/02/2026 13:46

Gloosh · 12/02/2026 13:18

I think Jacob Elordi is well cast. The way Healthcliff is described in the book doesn't suggest that he is black or Asian. He is described as a swarthy 'gypsy', so someone of Basque descent is pretty on the mark. Margot Robbie is terrible for this role though. I think if you're going to go so off-piste in your interpretation why not just write a new story?

Elordi being half basque is retconning to the extreme. Basque people are European and have lighter skin than Spanish people on the whole. Elordi looks like what he is, a white man. Heathcliff clearly suffered from racist abuse - why would casting Elordi mean that was going to be represented in the film?

Muffsies · 12/02/2026 13:50

persephonia · 12/02/2026 13:43

Agree. By they don't know and it's left vague, I meant the characters in the book don't know and the author left it vague!
I think really, at the point you are knee deep in your dead (lovers?) grave (which you've unearthed in order to take her wedding ring as part of a convoluted plan to take revenge on those who wronged you via the next generation), you should probably have a word with yourself and consider if this sort of love is actually healthy. Maybe get therapy.
I like the novel. But it's not romantic in the sense of valentine's day romantic. Aaargh.

Didn't he also kick out the side of her coffin so that he could lay beside her? I mean, it's no wonder she haunts him to death at the end.

Tiswa · 12/02/2026 13:50

Yes and Heathcliff’s alienation and feeling and looking different in a much much less ethnically diverse Victorian Yorkshire is a huge part of what makes him the (awful) man he is

this film isn’t Wuthering Heights is a fan fiction version written by someone who doesn’t understand what it was as a gothic romance/horror fusion supposed to be!

greencheetah · 12/02/2026 13:54

DuchessofStaffordshire · 12/02/2026 13:44

God, you're brave! I'd rather top myself than read it again.

Me too!

Aluna · 12/02/2026 13:57

persephonia · 12/02/2026 13:29

I think the whole point is they don't know so it's left deliberately vague. He doesn't know himself either. He could be Indian/Gypsy or he could be mixed race as there were many cases of wealthy men having affairs/seeing mistresses overseas or in port cities and then raising the children as their own or as "foundlings". Including mixed race children- there were some very famous examples
Which would explain Heathcliffs colouring but would also be the darkest interpretation since it would make the main characters half siblings.

But the whole point is, noone actually knows in the book.

Yes, it’s left intentionally open in the book.

I was responding to this comment: “The way Healthcliff is described in the book doesn't suggest that he is black or Asian.”

Which I don’t agree with - he is specifically described as “dark-skinned” and it’s suggested that he may be of Asian origin or “American” or “Spanish” castaway - which covers a wide array of ethnic possibilities.

Aluna · 12/02/2026 13:58

persephonia · 12/02/2026 13:30

An American castaway suggests either native American or even African American I think.

Yes, I agree - that was my interpretation. And not just N.America - also Meso and South America which overlaps with “Spanish”.

OldReliability · 12/02/2026 15:06

Tiswa · 12/02/2026 12:52

I think with the book it kind of depends what you are expecting - so many do seem to think of it as a romance as a love story kind of like Pride and Prejudice

but the Brontë sisters are Regency writers, they aren’t time of Bridgerton and the majority of the 18th Century

they are very much gothic novels and Wuthering Heights isn’t a pure gothic romance it has a lot of gothic horror in it with huge amounts of supernatural and ghostly elements

it is a Victorian novel and the Victorian times were not a great time to live in across the board and the fiction of this time reflects that

It was written during Victoria's reign, yes, but it's set much earlier, mostly during the 1770s and 1780s, with the 'frame narrative' of Lockwood being told the story by Nelly Dean at Thrushcross Grange happening during 1801-1802.

And to throw another Heathcliff theory into the mix, there's quite an influential strand of literary criticism that reads Heathcliff not as mixed-race, but as 'black' Irish, most famously Terry Eagleton's Heathcliff and the Great Hunger.

Emily Bronte began writing WH shortly after her brother Branwell returned from a trip to Liverpool, which was full of Irish immigrants, anyway, many of them Irish-speaking, and about to be flooded by starving Irish refugees from the Famine, depicted as ragged, alien and animalistic, looking out from under wild black hair, in illustrations in the Illustrated London News, which the Brontes read.

(The Brontes' father was an Irish O'Prunty from a dirt-poor cabin in Co Down, and though this knowledge was suppressed within the family after he reinvented himself at Cambridge and was ordained in the C of E, that it was widely known outside the family (and viewed with hostility) is shown by when Branwell intervened when his father was howled down while public speaking on a hustings in Haworth, he was burned in effigy as an Irish stereotype by the locals with the dummy Branwell having a potato in one hand and a herring in the other.)

Heathcliff is not only picked up starving and speaking 'gibberish' on the streets of Liverpool, but he represents 19thc English fears about Ireland as wild, brutish and uncivilised. He's taken in by the Earnshaws, and ends up biting the hand that feeds him, the foreign brat grown too big for his boots, much as British colonial policy in 19thc Ireland thought that showing 'savages' kindness would lead them them kicking you in the teeth.

In fact Heathcliff revolts because he's treated brutally, demoted from adopted son of the house to unpaid farm labourer -- only Cathy treats him as an equal and even she sells him out for Edgar Linton, leaving H to run away and mysteriously turn himself into a gentleman to bring down the status quo from within, cheating Hindley out of WH and turning into a rapacious landlord himself, and taking over Thrushcross Grange too.

In a novel that's less obsessed with love (sorry, Emerald Fennell, it really isn't) than it is with land and property and who owns what, Heathcliff is brutish Irish nature revolting its way into English culture and civility, but of course he loses heart and dies before his revenge is complete, apparently killed by the ghost of the woman he loved before he can dispossess Hareton and Catherine.

Toeragg · 12/02/2026 15:18

OldReliability · 12/02/2026 07:25

I don’t think it’s a spoiler if the novel has been in the public domain, and incredibly famous, for 179 years!

I was joking!

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OldReliability · 12/02/2026 15:21

Toeragg · 12/02/2026 15:18

I was joking!

You'd be amazed who isn't, though! Someone got very cross about being spoilered for Daphne du Maurier's Rebecca (1938) on here once...

Tiswa · 12/02/2026 15:34

@OldReliability yes which is why I think people go in thinking it is going to be a regency romance because it is set very much then and instead they get a gothic romance/ghost story with the undertones of landowning

and I agree it isn’t a love story and he isn’t a romantic hero!

Kate Bush for example didn’t read the book before doing the song so that again is a romantic interpretation

Aluna · 12/02/2026 15:39

Heathcliff was interpreted as Irish by a bunch of white academics of a certain age.

Problem is there is no reference to him as Irish anywhere in the book. All the references point further afield - “gypsy” being the most common. He’s picked up talking “gibberish” which could refer to Irish, although most Irish could speak some English, so it equally indicates a foreign language.

Liverpool wasn’t just home to Irish immigrants, but immigrants from all over the world due to its status as an international port. Shipping routes included the US & Canada, Australia, Africa, Caribbean and Asia. It was home, along with Bristol and London, to the earliest black and Chinese communities in the country - including sailors, traders and freed slaves. Any slave arriving in Liverpool after 1722 was regarded a free man.

Tiswa · 12/02/2026 15:42

I think Emily Brontë deliberately left out what he was to enable the reader to interpret- just like she deliberately left blank exactly how he made his money.

Both of those can be filled in by the reader who have different interpretations depending I think on how you want him to be

it was a clever way IMO of drawing the reader to him I mean if you really said what he did to get the money it makes him even more unlikeabke

cardibach · 12/02/2026 15:44

Not at all. I’ve seen it described as ‘Fifty Shades of Brontë’. I get that it’s fine to use a text as inspiration not just adapt it, but that’s so far from the important stuff EB was trying to say as to be laughable.

FartyAnimal · 12/02/2026 15:46

Saw a trailer - looks all Hollywood and shit. Wouldn't bother even if you paid me!

Boomer55 · 12/02/2026 15:48

Toeragg · 11/02/2026 22:34

I can't wait! Jacob Eldori's wig looks a bit dodgy in the first part but he scrubs up well when Heathcliff becomes rich. Not sure about the Yorkshire accent.

Margot Robbie looks a bit too old and glowy to be Cathy but I'm there for the frocks, the interiors and the scenary!

Anyone else going?

No, I’m not and won’t be watching it. The book was a classic, the original film was all it needed to be, and didn’t need modernising. The reviews are dreadful. 🙄

OldReliability · 12/02/2026 16:04

Aluna · 12/02/2026 15:39

Heathcliff was interpreted as Irish by a bunch of white academics of a certain age.

Problem is there is no reference to him as Irish anywhere in the book. All the references point further afield - “gypsy” being the most common. He’s picked up talking “gibberish” which could refer to Irish, although most Irish could speak some English, so it equally indicates a foreign language.

Liverpool wasn’t just home to Irish immigrants, but immigrants from all over the world due to its status as an international port. Shipping routes included the US & Canada, Australia, Africa, Caribbean and Asia. It was home, along with Bristol and London, to the earliest black and Chinese communities in the country - including sailors, traders and freed slaves. Any slave arriving in Liverpool after 1722 was regarded a free man.

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Well, it's not a problem. Or, only if you think it's a problem. He's not referred to as Black, either, or mixed-race. The most racialised ways in which he's described are as 'gipsy' and 'Lascar or a Spanish or American castaway', but as those are never the first terms applied to him, and as Mr Linton has almost certainly never seen any of the above, it's hardly a firm definition, other than 'not one of us'.

ginasevern · 12/02/2026 16:05

@Parrotstwice "Not everything has to be some po faced retelling. Not everything has to be that deep OR have broad appeal. Some things can just be demented"

But the novel is intrinsically "demented" and disturbing. It's the very last book you could describe as po faced and never had broad appeal for those very reasons. The characters are utterly vile, it depicts raw passion (with an undertone of incest), extreme violence against humans and animals and it seethes with vengeance and abuse. Any embelishment or added shock factor (other than to translate it better to the screen) is simply gratuitous and detracts from the story's viscerality.

Fifthtimelucky · 12/02/2026 16:19

I’m going tomorrow and am looking forward to it.

I don’t actually like the book, so I’m quite relaxed about any messing about with it!