To be confused by 'high earners' complaining about taxes?

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So high earners pay lots of tax. The top 20% pay for 70% or whatever the numbers are.

But (beyond printing more money) isn't the money there high income people make just coming from the paying public? No matter who you work for, your company's profit is just an accumulation of normal people paying for things.

So ultimately, isn't it all our money anyway? Just beacuse the game is rigged and you get paid 400K for management whatever, it doesn't mean you're more deserving of that money than anyone.

Who has said that? Because it certainly was not the lady on Question Time.
Do you know how bad the job market is right now?

Maybe fixing potholes, delivery driver, being a carer, stacking shelves or waitressing makers her anxious and speaking on national TV and claiming benefits doesn’t?

500k + net immigration a year largely to fill unskilled roles whilst having 9 million economically inactive working age people in the UK tells me that.

Yes the job market is bad now, perhaps we should increase taxes even further to improve it eh?

Did she say any of that? She didn't say anything about what jobs she was applying for. Why are you making stuff up?
Really weird take on such jobs when a few posters on here "question the life choices" of someone working for NMW.

If someone has never cleared £25k/pa in their entire adult life I'd seriously wonder about the choices they made that led up to this (barring disabilities or major life catastrophes). One of the reasons I've always hammered into my kids the need to do well at school - was what a previous poster said. They seem to look down on poorly paid jobs and think such jobs are beneath their kids.

When I was young people were between jobs or did the work they could find. Now people feel they should have choice even if they don't have the skills.

What is the break down of those 9 million people who are actively looking for work? Because a lot of that figure is sick/disabled and people with caring responsibilities.

There are currently 734,000 job vacancies right now. There will always be millions out of work, because there is not enough work.

It’s overcharged because after they have covered their costs plus some to invest etc they not all but a lot manage to accumulate millions

Yeah of course, they’re low status job. Nothing is lower status though, than just taking from tax payer families to fund your life style, contributing less than nothing whilst expecting people from other countries to come and do the jobs that you are too good for. That option (made possible through the welfare system) needs removing, disgraceful selfish behaviour.

The job market is very different now.
There is a crisis with youth unemployment. No one wants to take on inexperienced teens/young adults. This was discussed on LBC earlier. One lady rang in and said her daughter had applied for a part time job at Build A Bear. They had over 300 applicants.
There have been many threads here were posters are worried about their newly graduated kids not being able to find any work. Not things related to their degree, but anything.

So you think that people in the "low status" jobs should have to live in poverty? Despite the fact the country would grind to a halt if those jobs were not done.

Well, that says it all doesn't it. It is good to see snobbery alive and well.

It also includes people who are well of SAHMs. So exactly the kind of thing parts of Reform want to encourage (woman stays home and has kids, man goes out to work to support them). It will likely include the partners of many Reform and Tory politicians. No hate, they likely aren't a burden on the tax payer either. But the reporting of "9 million economically inactive" makes it sound like it's 9 million people on benefits or 9 million people who could/should be working when it's nothing like that.

Interesting that’s what you took from that. But no I think living off the tax payer because you think you’re above doing a low status job to support yourself or your family is the lowest status, disgraceful and selfish.

Take 3 million off if it makes you happier.

When were you young? Because it was much easier to be on the dole in say the 1970s than it is now. Increasingly since then the requirements for people wanting to take job seekers allowance have increased rather than gotten easier. I don't know how old you are, but unless you are really really old it does come across a bit like "young people today are all lazy compared to us". They are not. It's just that you and me are old(er).

Id rather just have the relevant statistics.

@ThisWittySquidI did a random unrelated degree but later got a senior non technical job in tech. I’ve worked very hard, but certainly no harder than a nurse or similar. For the first ten years of my career I was a low then mid earner, then I moved sideways using the same skills in a higher paying sector.

Having money is a lot easier than life without for sure. There are bizarre quirks to the system (I’m not complaining). You can’t save for a pension, due to the taper. Half my pay was in shares so didn’t come into my actual bank account but were taxed as income (rightly so, just confusing). Paid a lot to accountants.

One game changer was becoming a better negotiator when changing job. I was crap for a long term and had to learn.

Yet people watched a lady on TV and derived from that that she was looking down on low paid jobs, and rich people, when she mentioned neither.

one issue companies dont want to hire more people due to nmw, the pubs are already complaining that there business model is not suited due to heaven forbid they need to pay proper wages

people soon say about people looking down on certain roles, yet how about those roles pay the value that the role should be paid at

Someone upthread said some jobsare low paid because anyone can do them, and they don't make anyone profit. A lot of low paid jobs do make profit for someone higher up the chain.
Then there was the suggestion that the low paid jobs should be done by people for free to "earn" their benefits.

that seems the view of a few people, that the roles should be slave wages even though the jobs are essential

At some point, higher prices drive away customers. There's only so much people are willing to pay for a pint and a burger. But research shows that lower-quality restaurants and pubs are most at risk when they raise prices.

www.library.hbs.edu/working-knowledge/minimum-wage-hikes-drive-lousy-restaurants-out-of-business

then that proves capitalism model for businesses cannot be sucessful without cheap labour and therefore businesses need to evolve there models why should workers be paid cheap slave labour wages just to keep a business running

basically people want society to go back to the era of slavery, and here i was thinking we had a better society of people

Its about realism rather than work ethic. Don't get me wrong some people - young and old are lazy and will do anything to avoid a proper days work. But, there is apparently shame in cleaning, working in McDonalds, a factory, a shop etc. Influencing is in and being ordinary is out .