To be confused by 'high earners' complaining about taxes?

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So high earners pay lots of tax. The top 20% pay for 70% or whatever the numbers are.

But (beyond printing more money) isn't the money there high income people make just coming from the paying public? No matter who you work for, your company's profit is just an accumulation of normal people paying for things.

So ultimately, isn't it all our money anyway? Just beacuse the game is rigged and you get paid 400K for management whatever, it doesn't mean you're more deserving of that money than anyone.

Lord sugar

• benefitted from growing up on a council estate at a time when such a thing was more available. If he was alive now his parents would be renting privately and he would have less stability.
• made a substantial chunk of his money from real estate investment in London. There's nothing wrong with that. But the government invested massive amounts into improving parts of London- the East End, bits round Shepherds Bush. Also every time a new tube station opens house prices shoot up. The people who bought land or buildings before that government investment paid of made an absolute fortune. Good for them but it was facilitated by government spending.
• he made money early in his career through electronics but only tipped over into billionaire status through his work with the BBC (the Apprentice). Which is again a public service

He made his money honestly from very modest beginnings. Good for him. He worked hard. But he also benefitted from government spending- far more than someone in a minimum wage job topping up their income with UC. That isn't bad. The dishonesty comes when people don't want to contribute back because they tell themselves they earned it all themselves with zero help. That's not possible.

At the other end of the spectrum you have people who inherited vast sums and used that wealth to leverage vast government subsidies to further increase their wealth. That isn't good for society on the whole. And means there will be less opportunities for future generations to do what Alan Sugar did.

What on earth are you on about? The top slice of my income from my earned income is taxed at 67.5%. There's nothing that can be done about that.

This is the second unintelligent, goady thread that I've opened (the other being the whites in the minority one). Is there something in the water at the moment?

You want to tax the most globally mobile people in the world more? The people that countries around the world are competing to attract because of the massive economic benefits they bring? You don't think they will leave? You don't think this will reduce overall tax take in the UK? The figures show they already are leaving.

extra pension contributions to offset it ?

Just as a point of comparison, these are the current marginal tax rates and brackets in the US. They top out at 37% for individuals income over $640k pa.

https://taxfoundation.org/data/all/federal/2026-tax-brackets/

Note that the brackets adjust for inflation each year, which prevents people from getting pulled into higher tax bands without their spending power increasing.

1. Whites are a minority in certain UK boroughs/cities TODAY and trends show they will be in the UK overall in future decades. Just a question of when.

2. If socialist tax expert lawyer Dan Neidle says high earners in the UK are taxed too much. The cliff edge 100k salary threshold is also universally acknowledged by economists as being negative for UK economic growth.

Sure but this isn't relevant to what I said. Again, both opening posts are stupid and goady. If they had made sensible, well researched comments, that would have been different.
I think Dan Neidle is excellent and I admire the way he is exposing billionaire tax evaders. I also agree that the cliff edge 100k salary threshold in the UK is destructive, as is the lower cliff edge at around 50k. Policies that disincentivise work are foolish as are those that reward people more for 'investing' (often just speculating) or for hoovering up masses of homes, preventing younger people from having security, are destructive and wrong imo.

And what about ‘normal earners’? Does their money not also come from people using their services and buying things?
the problem is that some pay a lot of tax but are excluded from benefiting from almost all of it

One year I paid 185 K in income tax. I’d love for more women to become high earners. AMA.

That's not how AMAs work. You need to start your own thread.

@IDontHateRainbowsits a thread about the attitudes of high earners and I was using AMA to indicate I was happy to answer questions about that as a sometimes high earner, that’s all :)

What industry are you in and what did you study at uni?

I think you mean 'exorbitant'.

This is sadly true. My DB is a private wealth management consultant. He's seeing so many of his clients leaving the UK.

Ah yes I did. Thanks for correcting me.

OP seems to have disappeared.

Precisely. How dare I have worked 80 hours a week for years and how dare I resent giving half my wage to the government especially when I use all private facilities. Jealousy is so ugly.

True. Despite DH paying eye watering rates of tax we now use a private GP because it's impossible to get an appointment at our local surgery. Our local bus routes have been reduced to next to nothing. We have so many long standing pot holes that it's beyond a joke. Our local library barely opens and likely won't last the year.

And then there was that very vocal young woman, on Question Time, recently who was apparently incapable of working because 'of anxiety' and yet clearly revelled in appearing on national TV. And had the audacity to deride 'the rich' for not paying more FFS. Showing so much contempt for the very people who's taxes fund her benefits.

The lady on Question Time was actually job hunting. I suggest you go and rewatch it. She said it was hard looking for work when you have anxiety. And she did not deride the "rich" or even mention taxes at all.
So stop making shit up.

but we cannot run the country on fresh air ? plus society should not rely on cheap labour otherwise why did we get rid of slavery ?

It is odd to be so anxious that you can appear on national tv but now work.

How is over a quarter of the UK’s billionaires leaving in a year helping the UK not rely on cheaper labour?
Unfortunately the U.K. is out of road, no room for additional borrowing or mass immigration to do the jobs people don’t want do anymore, It’s very clear that it’s only a matter of time before the free money will have to stop and people will simply have to do the jobs they deem beneath them, with or without anxiety/ADHD/body dismorphia. The country (tax payers) simply can’t afford to carry these people anymore,

Because they believe the jobs they are capable of doing are beneath them.

Maybe she had a lot of support. Maybe she worked hard to build up the confidence to do it. She said she was looking for work anyway. People can be between jobs.