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To be confused by 'high earners' complaining about taxes?

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tutuland · 10/02/2026 18:25

So high earners pay lots of tax. The top 20% pay for 70% or whatever the numbers are.

But (beyond printing more money) isn't the money there high income people make just coming from the paying public? No matter who you work for, your company's profit is just an accumulation of normal people paying for things.

So ultimately, isn't it all our money anyway? Just beacuse the game is rigged and you get paid 400K for management whatever, it doesn't mean you're more deserving of that money than anyone.

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Eddiestrangerthings · 12/02/2026 16:56

why should the elite pay any taxes or the super wealthy ?

NorthXNorthWest · 12/02/2026 17:04

InWithPeaceOutWithStress · 12/02/2026 15:59

I never said they pay more tax overall, I’ve been explaining that they pay more proportionally. Perhaps you were misreading my comments which explains why we’ve been going around in circles.

Your original comment was “I have to pay more than double the amount proportionally that lower income workers pay?”

That’s what I’ve been arguing against. I’m glad to see that you’re no longer claiming this.

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I have to pay more than double the amount proportionally that lower income workers pay?

Where did I say that?

lanyarty · 12/02/2026 17:18

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Soberinthecity · 12/02/2026 17:23

OhDear111 · 12/02/2026 10:07

@Soberinthecity Me and dh are retired. We pay a lot for health insurance because we want any health need attended to. Quickly. We are well aware that’s queue jumping. Yes, let others have the nhs and be number 6,000,001 in the queue . So generous of your dad to remove himself and pretend it’s altruistic!

same Thing different viewpoint 😉 No one said he wasn’t well aware of the queue jumping. In an ideal world excellent free Healthcare would be available to all, but we don’t live in that world.

Soberinthecity · 12/02/2026 17:25

MNLurker1345 · 12/02/2026 10:58

@Soberinthecity, I can’t believe you call it freebies. It’s universal healthcare. So shocking! But anyone that questions the welfare bill is accused of benefits bashing. High income tax
payers are considered with contempt, by the likes of you if they dare to use the NHS, that we contribute to.

What you appear to want is a NHS that is a charity donated to low income earners, by high income earners. Would that sort out low productivity? High income taxpayers should then piss off and pay for their healthcare privately.

My DH and I paid £75K income tax this year. We are high income earners, we are self employed. We use both private healthcare and the NHS. I hope that really increases the bad smell in your nose!

Calm down

modernfairies · 12/02/2026 18:21

Mishmosher · 12/02/2026 16:51

Don’t you think the European model, where workers get higher benefits when they for whatever reason cannot work (redundancy, sickness) to reflect the tax that they have paid in is a much better system than the current one where they get the same as the workshy? How about we motivate people to work by incentivising it? Showing that it pays off? Because we’re certainly not managing to incentivise people to work with our current strategy.

This is a proposal expressly supported by Torsten Bell currently PS in the Treasury. The government knows it’s unfair but they can’t politically give any improvements to high earners. It’s more politically acceptable to kill productivity, reduce employment and encourage people to drop hours and retire early than it is to recognise tax traps and benefit failures for higher earners.

IcyPlumShaker · 12/02/2026 18:25

All those people defending billionaires and saying we shouldn’t tax them more… I’m intrigued as to what your solution is?

you cant tax the poor more - they just don’t have it.

you cant tax middle earners more - theyre all just squeezed.

there aren’t any savings to be found otherwise any one of the governments in the last 20 years would have found them.

so what do we do? Tax the rich more or just accept that we don’t really have public services any more?

Eddiestrangerthings · 12/02/2026 18:38

IcyPlumShaker · 12/02/2026 18:25

All those people defending billionaires and saying we shouldn’t tax them more… I’m intrigued as to what your solution is?

you cant tax the poor more - they just don’t have it.

you cant tax middle earners more - theyre all just squeezed.

there aren’t any savings to be found otherwise any one of the governments in the last 20 years would have found them.

so what do we do? Tax the rich more or just accept that we don’t really have public services any more?

and you cannot tax the rich because they can and do have the ability to use fancy tax accounting methods and can use off shore etc

glitterpaperchain · 12/02/2026 18:41

@MyDenimExpert Intelligence and skill isn't usually there in those who "still work hard but don't have the paycheck to show for it".

Just to confirm, nurses and teachers don't have intelligence and/or skill? Is that what you're saying?

OhDear111 · 12/02/2026 18:58

@glitterpaperchain Not to the extent of some other highly paid people or they would be running John Lewis or be Cabinet Secretary. Teachers can become heads and get well over £100,000. It’s like a pyramid. The top earn more. It’s the same in most careers. If you want high earnings, there’s lots of competition for the jobs. Often internationally. To be a teacher or nurse, not much competition.

These people could try for other careers, but have decided not to. It’s not about the work, it’s about scarcity of the required talent. I think most nurses or teachers would not be able to run John Lewis. Had they been able to, they should have tried for a different career.

Bernardo1 · 12/02/2026 19:28

Doranottheexplorer · 10/02/2026 18:30

You do know that higher rate of tax doesn't start when you earn 400k a year right?

Rather think it does.

Bernardo1 · 12/02/2026 19:29

Bernardo1 · 12/02/2026 19:28

Rather think it does.

Before that, if course

MissConductUS · 12/02/2026 19:50

IcyPlumShaker · 12/02/2026 18:25

All those people defending billionaires and saying we shouldn’t tax them more… I’m intrigued as to what your solution is?

you cant tax the poor more - they just don’t have it.

you cant tax middle earners more - theyre all just squeezed.

there aren’t any savings to be found otherwise any one of the governments in the last 20 years would have found them.

so what do we do? Tax the rich more or just accept that we don’t really have public services any more?

The core problem is low economic growth and productivity, which has multiple causes, including high rates of taxation.

https://www.thetimes.com/business/economics/article/uk-economy-slow-growth-final-months-of-2025-www.thetimes.com/business/economics/article/uk-economy-slow-growth-final-months-of-2025-gdp-8gqgjwgn0?gaa_at=eafs&gaa_n=AWEtsqfSj7oTLSCrXOFuZTgBr0b3i9Im1UTL9e25tYLgSnbBpVtkv3zpA4aQhO8mZrU%3D&gaa_ts=698e3186&gaa_sig=xXKlkUQP1pfEjbrPfbK6iB69EcUlJncJDd2Hk-bqYrRFV6t7in6l7TSrYnqdGc2D3jDvpbdOb0s8gE3u0rnN1g%3D%3D

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glitterpaperchain · 12/02/2026 20:00

OhDear111 · 12/02/2026 18:58

@glitterpaperchain Not to the extent of some other highly paid people or they would be running John Lewis or be Cabinet Secretary. Teachers can become heads and get well over £100,000. It’s like a pyramid. The top earn more. It’s the same in most careers. If you want high earnings, there’s lots of competition for the jobs. Often internationally. To be a teacher or nurse, not much competition.

These people could try for other careers, but have decided not to. It’s not about the work, it’s about scarcity of the required talent. I think most nurses or teachers would not be able to run John Lewis. Had they been able to, they should have tried for a different career.

I think this is a very naive perspective. Many people are wealthy enough that there is no 'career ladder'. It's generational wealth, family connections, things most people even the upper middle class don't have. Not to mention the privilege that gives some people access to those top of the pyramid jobs. We don't live in a meritocracy, it's not purely based on hard work and effort. Wealth and privilege play such a huge role.

hazelnutvanillalatte · 12/02/2026 20:10

tutuland · 10/02/2026 21:29

What exactly is he skilled in? Powerpoint and excel.

He's cleverly worked himself up the capitalism ladder. He works long hours because he's chosen to do so for lots of money. Lots of people work long intense hours, with specialised knowledge, without the same amount of money.

Deserve, he does not.

If you're arguing that high earners aren't any more skilled than anyone else, why do you think they're highly paid? Why doesn't everyone just take these highly paid jobs if they're no different to anything else?

Papyrophile · 12/02/2026 20:22

Forgive me, but I am going to exclude the 0.5% of high tax payers here, and concentrate on the vast middle. IMO, very ordinary, earners doing ordinary jobs in offices and workshops for SMEs (I am deliberately excluding the NHS here) are getting very hard done by. They can't ask their SME employer for more money, because since the hikes in Employer's NI contribution and the increase in the NMW, their employer is squeaking at every pip. My DS, apprentice on MW in the SE, paying £1000 pm for accommodation is worrying that his employer who only recently bought a business is about to lose everything. Rachel Reeves' fevered ignorance will have a lot to answer for.

Papyrophile · 12/02/2026 20:27

The obvious next question is, what sector am I discussing? This is horticulture. No you can't eat it, so some people will assume it's purely decorative.

InWithPeaceOutWithStress · 12/02/2026 20:32

NorthXNorthWest · 12/02/2026 17:04

I have to pay more than double the amount proportionally that lower income workers pay?

Where did I say that?

That’s the initial comment / argument I responded to. The start of this thread.

Pithykestralfish · 12/02/2026 21:48

One outcome of a benefit system that encourages people to become dependent on it is that it also inevitably fosters resentment towards those funding it. It needs a massive rethink in order to encourage self reliance.

IDontHateRainbows · 12/02/2026 22:04

hazelnutvanillalatte · 12/02/2026 20:10

If you're arguing that high earners aren't any more skilled than anyone else, why do you think they're highly paid? Why doesn't everyone just take these highly paid jobs if they're no different to anything else?

Some are unpleasant working conditions. Mate's fella works on an oil rig, he's essentially locked away from the world for 3 weeks at a time but he gets paid a fortune.

Pithykestralfish · 12/02/2026 22:12

IDontHateRainbows · 12/02/2026 22:04

Some are unpleasant working conditions. Mate's fella works on an oil rig, he's essentially locked away from the world for 3 weeks at a time but he gets paid a fortune.

Can he not ‘offshore’ to avoid some of the tax ? 😉

Eddiestrangerthings · 12/02/2026 23:10

Pithykestralfish · 12/02/2026 21:48

One outcome of a benefit system that encourages people to become dependent on it is that it also inevitably fosters resentment towards those funding it. It needs a massive rethink in order to encourage self reliance.

but then the problem is society only needs so many workers for so many businesses to make a profit etc so what to do with the rest of the workers if there was no benefit system ?

MissConductUS · 13/02/2026 00:09

Eddiestrangerthings · 12/02/2026 23:10

but then the problem is society only needs so many workers for so many businesses to make a profit etc so what to do with the rest of the workers if there was no benefit system ?

You’re assuming that the economy is static. It might be close to that now, but if there was more economic growth, new jobs would be created.

Eddiestrangerthings · 13/02/2026 00:14

MissConductUS · 13/02/2026 00:09

You’re assuming that the economy is static. It might be close to that now, but if there was more economic growth, new jobs would be created.

yea but growth in what, and even then with robots, ai, etc you would still only need a few workers overall.

MissConductUS · 13/02/2026 00:35

Eddiestrangerthings · 13/02/2026 00:14

yea but growth in what, and even then with robots, ai, etc you would still only need a few workers overall.

One possibility is growth in exports. Germany and other Eurozone countries are expanding their militaries in response to Russian expansionism. The UK has several leading arms manufacturers. If they can compete for and win some of that business it would result in thousands of new jobs in the UK.

Services are another area where exports could grow. Financial services, professional services, software and technology are all areas that can add well paying jobs. But the UK needs to up its game to be more competitive,

https://www.britishchambers.org.uk/news/2025/10/budget-must-give-uk-competitive-edge/

One thing that’s clear from this thread is that everyone is focused on how to divide a static or dwindling pie rather than looking at how to grow it, which would raise tax revenue without increasing tax rates.

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