To be confused by 'high earners' complaining about taxes?

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So high earners pay lots of tax. The top 20% pay for 70% or whatever the numbers are.

But (beyond printing more money) isn't the money there high income people make just coming from the paying public? No matter who you work for, your company's profit is just an accumulation of normal people paying for things.

So ultimately, isn't it all our money anyway? Just beacuse the game is rigged and you get paid 400K for management whatever, it doesn't mean you're more deserving of that money than anyone.

If all jobs paid the same, who would do the shit jobs?

Job A: 9am-5pm in a warm safe environment with a light workload - e.g. local library.

Job B: Night shifts at the local sewerage works unblocking pipes and spraying out tanks. Getting covered in human faeces.

No rational person would choose Job B unless it paid more money. That's just human nature and why all these dreams of equality/socialism/communism can never actually work in reality.

It's really not very complicated.

No, I’m resentful at the amount of tax people are forced to pay and who also loose access to some of the services they pay for. I’m also highlighting that the take home difference between minimum wage and a top 3% salary is actually quite small and pointing out that this will lead to more and more people opting for an attitude of ‘ why not relax and set your sights a bit lower’, unfortunately particularly young people. It’s not really a great attitude for a nation (or anyone really) for all sorts of reasons and a good example of why high disproportional taxes lead to low growth and will eventually result in actually less tax revenue.

have a public nhs and a private tier nhs, logic being look after the more $$ tax payers then they can keep earning more for the system

And when the government tops up wages via UC all jobs become exactly the same in terms of reward, so people choose jobs based upon how easy they are, rather than how much they pay - so nobody wants to do the hard jobs. You'd actually be stupid to do the hard jobs.

but thats the fault of modern businesses only paying x amout rather than proper wages

The squeezed middle are entitled to challenge how their taxes are spent. Its madness to suggest / believe that the people paying a significant share of the shouldn't have the right to question waste, incompetence or whether the current system is financially sustainable. Should we just wait till it falls over?

No one is attacking those on benefits/ low earners. But when the people footing a large part of the bill are told they are the problem and should just keep quiet and keep paying, don’t be surprised if they bite back. Being a net contributor does not make you a villain nor does earning more than a nurse.

If the welfare state is going to survive, it has to work for both those who rely on it and those who fund it. Endless redistribution without discipline, scrutiny or reform damages trust. And when trust goes, so does the motivation followed by productivity.

I definitely think that working people should get priority for GP appointments. The unemployed and retired can take the appointments they're given.

According to this tread its the fault of high earners taking low earners money. Because what possible reasons other the self importance and greed would mean that anyone is paid more than a nurse. Oh, and high earners are also making low earners pay more tax - well VAT, because that the big one...

Is it? have a guess how much an employer pays in taxes before they give you your salary so that you in turn can then pay your chunk of taxes? I know you’re going to mention Starbucks or Amazon? but I’m talking about SMEs.
Its all filtering more and more money to the Government who then decide how it’s distributed whilst blaming everyone that they need more.

bottom line any business should not expect cheap labour to run there business model, otherwise how can people afford to live and buy other companies products etc

Everyone funds it.

agreed, then perhaps increasing tax on employers wasn’t a great idea? Increasing business rates maybe not great either. What do you think? Do you think that will result in an increase in wages?

Why wouldn’t they complain, all
of the penalties with none of the benefits. They are cut off from the basics of support which is child benefit.
I would be pissed off in this situation.

Youre resentful the tax system is designed to reduce the different between the top 3% and minimum wage. Isn't that the whole point of living in a society.

Where have you come across a sewage worker paid more than a tech bro sitting in an office?

So we would prioritise a 65 year old higher rate tax payer on the verge of retirement over a young person in their 20s who hadn't yet had the opportunity to achieve their potential tax bracket? That doesn't seem very logical if we are prioritising who we look after on the basis of how much the system will benefit from them. And what about the non working partners of higher rate tax payers? Logically they should be in economy as we don't need to keep them well, only their spouses.
I think this still needs work.

no business would willingly increase wages even if other taxs became lower, businesses exist for the profit and the shareholders etc other wise if businesses could employ people at £1 an hr then they would

I am a high tax payer. I would like to ask you, OP do you feel you get value for money from my high tax contribution. Because if you do, all well and good. If not, apologies, I can’t give more.

HMRC calculate my tax contribution from my income earned. I pay it! I have the right to have an opinion. My opinion does not affect whether I pay my tax or not. But your questioning about how I feel about it is irrelevant and disingenuous.

And do keep in mind that contributions?????, are relative. So for you, your contributions may pinch, and so do mine. But all for the common good, aye!

Oh you sweet summer child.

really? and if taxes go higher? No effect? There hasn’t been a large spike in unemployment since the budget? This is a pointless conversation isn’t it?

if taxes as they did go higher some businesses recruit less so why would businesses pay more wages if taxes were lower, thats why we had nmw to begin with because some companies were taking the biscuits

Again, resentful at the incredibly high tax burden ! Highest since we were at total war.Why? For an ideology that isn’t working.

The point in a society is increased survival and prosperity, does that look like what discouraging the most capable members from bothering is achieving?

It is not universally accepted - selective framing yet again.

As I have said, if you want to understand how progressive or regressive our tax system is you need to look at the big picture. Who pays in and who gets paid out. Not just one side.

If person pays 3k in VAT (lest assume this is a significant proportion of their earnings) but receives 10k in benefits. VAT is still regressive but their financial position is significantly healthier.

And again, the bulk of its tax revenue generated is through income tax, NI and Corp Tax which are Progressive.

To get the most skilled workers.

I’m in the middle earner at 60k and we seem to be the most the most according to our salary . I don’t begrudge it if they are being well used but often doesn’t seem the case