We don't want the government to lurch to the left

[Bargepole45]

I am absolutely astounded that Labour think it's democratic to decide that they can lurch to the left despite being elected with a very clear promise to not tax and spend. I believe this is absolutely not what the general public want and I am really worried that the economy isn't going to survive this and we will end up with an IMF bailout that will lead to very painful spending cuts for our most vulnerable.

Please vote:
YABU :I want Labour to lurch to the left in order to increase taxation and spending
YANBU: I don't want Labour to lurch to the left and would be against further tax and spending rises

Higher taxation absolutely doesn't work for the individual if you are a net contributor

Of course there are benefits though. A safety net means my streets are safer, an educated population is better when i’m older etc

I think you need to step away from this thread. You aren't even comprehending what's been written and are getting increasingly irate. Nobody has suggested we don't have any taxation.

@OhDear111 how would you make the state more productive?

This.

"I can't afford to pay a decent wage!!!" is as straightforward an indicator as there is that your business isn't viable.

If you want to hobble along working 18 hour days and never taking a holiday, fine, you are within your rights to kill yourself through work. You have no right to expect anyone else to live in penury though just because your business struggles to pay their NMW.

Oh absolutely to a certain point. That's why I made the point about a civilised society. There are wider benefits of taxation but once they have largely been achieved then increased taxation doesn't benefit the net contributing individual in the same way.

If you go as left wing as some poster seem to be advocating Cafe Nero would go away. You'd be a buy to buy a standard British Coffee once a week using your quota from the nationalised coffee shop in town. You could choose milk or sugar but any more personal expression of individuality would be right wing non-sense.

Can you show me the polls where people said they cared more about avoiding tax and spend than child poverty? I mean Labour did win the election, so it seems theres quite a few people who prefer centre left to centre right? And thats with a lot of socialists holding their nose as they voted too.

@nearlylovemyusername how many of those respondents receive benefits though?

No, there is a point where high wages kills employment. Look at Sweden as an example and their minimum wage and astronomical youth unemployment rates. You can deter employment.

So you'd close most carehomes, nurseries, restaurants, shops as unviable businesses. Great I'd love to live in a country like that.

Don’t worry payroll employment is down under Labour already and more taking benefits. So fewer jobs for dc and threads from stressed posters re adult dc suffering MH due to being stuck at home.

Bloody well wish we could get a left wing government in this country but don't think it's ever going to happen.

Labour specifically said they would not increase taxes on working people. They were elected on the grounds. The implication was clear, they wouldn't tax and spend.

The public did not want the two child cap to be abolished
yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/survey-results/daily/2025/07/15/6143b/2

I don’t think we will be taxed any more on PAYE as a result of labours actions
Lots of people sat on their arse is doing very little for their compounded interest should be taxed until they squeak
Hopefully, they will be

OP, you put this post up in the middle of day on a working day and have already got 258 replies.

Perhaps that points towards a skewed sample. Same with opinion polls, people who work / run businesses are too busy to participate.

All governments have gone along with in work benefits however we have loads of people deliberately working part time to keto benefits going. It’s not all about poor wages. Lots of the issues are about not working full time

I work p/t partly for ease (small dc) but full time mean any extra earnings are taxed at the higher rate. The cliff edges also have an impact.

There is a fair bit of ground between "high" wages and looking to the likes of Nigel Farage to do away with NMW because in an ideal world you'd like a return to "casual" contracts with no employment rights, and a typical hourly rate of £5 per hour.

If you are in the latter situation, then you are either a mercenary profiteering shitehouse, in which case I have no sympathy for you, or you are running a business which isn't viable, in which case I have a degree of sympathy for you but still draw the line at gutting employment law just to prop up your failed venture.

Thank you for your generosity - you can of course make voluntary payments direct to HMRC.

In the interim and FYI.

NHS pension costs represent a significant portion of the health budget, with employer contributions rising to 23.7% of pensionable pay as of April 2024, up from 20.6%. Total taxpayer-funded employer contributions for NHS pensions reached over £17bn in 2024-25, and with total pension liabilities exceeding £457bn, the scheme is unfunded and underwritten by the Treasury.

Whatever did we do 20 years ago for care homes restaurants, nurseries shops?
Oh yes, they paid decent wages and the price of the things that they bought without Credit adjusted accordingly
It was only once we had these surges of credit cards introduced to the economy that things started to go tits up very much like America
And now nobody can manage without it

The public did not want the two child cap to be abolished

I’m not against this as don’t want more dc in poverty.

Fair enough! I have got behind myself on my work getting stuck into this. I do believe this forum is left leaning. Interestingly I found this though:

https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/mumsnet-poll-shows-reform-uk-on-top-lg0cgdzp0#:~:text=Roberts%20said%20Mumsnet%20users%20had,JACK%20TAYLOR/REUTERS

I guess this proves that the thread is misleading as you would never guess Reform were the most popular party based on posts here.

They just don't want to🙄

I give up.

Hmm, all these adult DCs with mental health problems, who was in government while they were growing up? And why are MH and SEN higher in deprived areas? And why are those areas deprived? And why are we having poverty in homes were people work?

OP maybe if your business isn't doing well and you cant pay staff or afford your own tax, then you just need to accept the market forces are dictating that there's less demand for what you're offering?

Don’t worry, OP.

There is probably a strong correlation between being a welfare recipient, and being in favour of a Labour government.

@DiySteve so how do you recruit & retain staff into the NHS by reducing the pension, would you increase their salaries? The ones on the great pensions will of course be the experienced highly qualified staff eg consultants as opposed to porters so have more job opportunities in general.