To not want baby near unvaccinated toddler?

[victoriaspomge]

So basically my partner wants his half brother's (same dad) younger half brother (same mum) to come and meet our baby.
He has a daughter who is 2 years old who he says is our kids cousin.

My partner is no relation to him or his daughter biologically but because they share a half brother he feels as if it's his brother as well and that they are family.

He dosent really know him and doesn't have his number and has only met him in the last 10 years.

They only hang out if it's with their mutual half brother.

I know the 'brother' is very anti vax and has not got his 2 year old vaccinated despite living in a city where it has had a lot of cases of measles.

Baby is too young to be have the MMR and I am extremely worried about my baby meeting this 2 year old.

AIBU to feel like this?

Nurseries generally have babies and toddlers separated so this isn’t much of an issue. Nursery is also a necessity so you weigh up risks. That doesn’t mean you allow a free for all, all the time.

It was eliminated briefly between 2017 and 2018, then again briefly in 2021 due to the pandemic.

Ours didn't all the time
There was a room for babies but at meal times, parties and in the gardens they were all together
The same goes for a nursery a friend runs

Plus of course there are those kids who aren’t vaccinated at the 12 and 18 month point in the same space as those that might be just a few months younger but not old enough for the vaccine.
Let’s also not forget older unvaccinated siblings of babies

How quickly? Surely if that's the case most people are unprotected?

If I had a child who couldn’t be vaccinated, I’d have taken each situation on a risk by risk basis. Many nurseries insist on vaccination, except where a child can’t be vaccinated. I’d probably look in to that. I’d also take advice from the GP. I can’t imagine how difficult it must be to have a child you can’t protect. That’s why if find it difficult to understand why people choose not to.

The baby room in DS nursery was 0-2 years. Thought that was pretty commonplace

Why is it important to get the COVID vaccine for most people

generally

Most do so because of staffing requirements. You aren’t going to have a bunch of toddlers who could be looked after by fewer staff, in a room where the staffing ratio is 1:3.

Nurseries in the U.K. cannot legally insist on vaccinations

You said in NO world would you let your baby near an unvaccinated toddler.

It wanes around 10% per year.

www.cdc.gov/pertussis/hcp/vaccine-recommendations/index.html#:~:text=Immunity%20to%20pertussis%20following%20Tdap,protection%20against%20tetanus%20and%20diphtheria.

Sorry, better links
https://www.rch.org.au/kidsinfo/fact_sheets/whooping_cough/

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5088088/

I agree but
Like I said at meal times etc it’s not the case

In terms of babies theoretically protected by being in a seperate environment for most of the time this is only relevant if they don’t have older siblings or all older siblings are vaccinated.

Adults are recommended to get TDAP every 10 years. I caught pertussis when travelling and it was awful (I didn't know I had it, just though very sick with bronchitis). Managed to get to a doctor and get antibiotics. The cough was horrifying - I literally though I would die as I couldn't get air in/out mid coughing fit.
After I got home and recovered I got updated vaccinations for everything. I've done it a couple of times, not including pregnancy vaccinations.

It was 1:3 ratio in the baby room up to 2 years at DS nursery so not getting point of your posts. And some of those kids are old enough to have vaccines and some arent

Also not all the kids were full time so a bigger amount of kids DS went 4 days, some 2 days so other kids made up the other 3 days etc

I found this really interesting. I hope grandma gets her booster to protect baby!

• All babies less than six months old are at risk of catching whooping cough because they have not completed the three-dose primary vaccine course. This risk period is longer if the six-month vaccines are not given on time.
• Protection against whooping cough can last for up to 10 years after a booster dose but starts to wane after 4-5 years.
• A booster dose of adult whooping cough vaccine is recommended for all parents of newborns. Grandparents and other carers in contact with children who are less than six months old should also have an adult pertussis booster, even if they have been infected with whooping cough in the past.
• Every adult is susceptible to whooping cough infection unless they have had a recent pertussis booster. Adults are the ones most likely to spread infection to babies under six months who are not yet fully vaccinated.

So does that mean the vaccine they give mums during pregnancy is pointless then? Thought that was to protect the babies until they had the vaccines themselves

The father's of the 2 babies I know ( both under 14 months) were never offered boosters

I guess it must offer some, but not complete protection if they are advising it? Presumably from antibodies passed from the mother.

Vaccination while pregnant passes antibodies on to baby but protection is short term until baby can receive its own vaccinations.

We weren’t recommended or offered anything regarding adult vaccines
Not even dh or I. Is this a recent thing ?

@ContentedAlpaca

Sorry to hear that. 2 doses are 95% effective against measles, however no vaccine is 100%

The bullet points were from here.
https://www.rch.org.au/kidsinfo/fact_sheets/whooping_cough/

I was looking for information about how long immunity from pertussis vaccine lasts. (4-10 years), so there are probably lots of unprotected adults around.

However, to complicate things, immunity from infection is more long lasting (7-20 years)
So many of these adults whose vaccine immunity waned long ago may have had since had an infection, mild or otherwise, that has left them with immunity
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5404361/

Re Pertussis, I couldn't find UK data for last/this year (maybe someone else can for all of last year) but came across this which makes for sad reading https://pharmaceutical-journal.com/article/news/whooping-cough-cases-increase-by-1600-in-a-year-data-show

I can't read the rest without registering but now there should be a lot more immunity. Illnesses will go in cycles.
Adults generally don't get the characteristic whoop it's more likely to go undiagnosed.

TaraC25 · Today 13:28

Well of course loosing a child at any age is sad. Children still die now, despite vaccines.

In vastly fewer numbers, of course, because many common diseases have effectively been eradicated - by vaccinations. When did you last see a charity box for the deaf, dumb and blind? (A not unusual complication of measles). How about polio kids with calipers, or on breathing devices?

So your argument is that all children should receive a vaccine now, because 250 years ago some children died from something else?

They were dying of the same diseases we vaccinate for now.