Reform is funded by Putin - wake up

[PeacePilgrim]

When will UK wake up to the Putin push for Brexit, Reform , Farage ? It's all part of the Theil Musk Bannon project ..

Urgent action needed

And ban overseas funding of political parties

Wake up people

I agree with you, OP. It's mad that some people refuse to acknowledge this.

It's going to be fun when the Russian trolls find this thread.

I thought the Tories had one and apparently didn’t find any wrongdoing 🤣

That was in the Johnson government though and according to the files they were behind his election victory, and half of Johnson’s bent cabinet are now in Reform, so ‘’they found nothing’’ because they’re in it up to their necks 🤣

Zia Yusuf made me laugh during QT recently when he was saying ‘’ All Starmer’s security checks entailed was asking Mandelson questions and then believing him’’. It didn’t half remind me of the time Farage was asked if anybody else in his party was taking Russian money. He said no. He was then asked, ‘’how do you know?’’ ‘’I’ve asked and they said no, I can’t investigate because I’m not the police’’

🤣🤣🤣
Stinking hypocrisy.

It is interesting. On one side we have the left ideology/world economic forum conspiracy where the fat cats will have all the assets and the citizens will own nothing and be happy, and on the other side we have the right ideology/Russia influence to divide the west conspiracy.

I'm basically caught in the middle where I can see evidence of both conspiracies.

The billionaires are the fat cats who don’t want the working class to have anything, no welfare state etc.

Farage was the one at Davos recently with Trump. None of this is left wing. It’s all one sided and the whole ‘’left’’ narrative was about instilling fear and getting people on side.

Same tactics MAGA use when they talk about the ‘’radical left’’. Just a division tactic,

I didn't know this, but I am not surprised.

Well Johnson was never going to find any wrong doing because he wasn’t going to look for it. After all he was I it up to his neck too. The Russians were backing and heavily influencing the Brexit campaign and there is a serious suggestion of Russian interference in the Brexit Referendum.

We need an enquiry into the whole thing and it needs to be completely transparent and independent of party politics.

I know it wouldn’t be possible now but I really wish we could have a cap on how much any one individual could possess at any given moment. Get rid of billionaires completely. Nobody needs that kind of money. All it ever does in the vast majority of cases is corrupt people. If nobody could have more than say 500 million - which is still an obscene amount of money - then I think the world would be a significantly better place

I completely agree. The way people are falling for this shit en masse is really scary, though not surprising I suppose. I’m noticing online that more people are beginning to gradually wake up to it though.

I don’t know what we can do. I’m terrified if I’m honest. I’ve got a feeling Reform will win the next election through fraudulent means unless something drastic is done, and quickly.

The scum needs to be banned from ever getting near government again, whichever rosette, but I’m sceptical about anything being done.

We need some decisive and strong leadership from labour - which they don’t appear to want to do. Starmer is not a particularly effective communicator in comparison to Johnson, Farage and co. He is just a bit too bland. They need to be calling this crap out every day. And actually explaining to the public effectively why things need to be how they are.

If a public enquiry was called - and inevitably found Farage wanting. I think that could help turn things round. But the country needs something to be inspired by and believe in and labour are just not giving them that at the moment.

Lmao are you OK?

Putin has much bigger fish to fry

Naive. But if fish metaphors help, we can go with that!

So, picture lots of small and medium size fish swimming together. Together they have the power of a… really big fish.

If you are very big, warmongering, dictator kind of… fish
you might want to break up that rival big group of… fish into the individual… small fish. Then… they’ll be easier to… fry.

We can give the fish names, if you like, or draw some pictures of them.

They are always "naive" if they don't buy into your gaga conspiracy theories, aren't they?

Britain likes to exaggerate its importance in the world. It's like Main Character Syndrome on a national level.

When will UK wake up to the Putin push for Brexit, Reform , Farage ?

When it's reported. Which is never. But most people enchanted by the whole Reform grift get their information from fb and YouTube anyway. Ironic, since they're asking for evidence about this, but don't want evidence for whatever un-verified social media shit they watch, or for what spews from Farage's mouth.

I'm slightly right of centre but I've been accused of being a Russian bot on here. I know that the left can be a very idealistic bunch, but surely it is possible to see that people can be critical of left wing politicians without being in the pay of Russia.

The UK population was completely capable of voting for Brexit without any help from Russia. Cameron ran a dire campaign and Boris can get people to vote for nearly anything. The EU was never that popular here (not before Brexit).

The people who are demanding Starmer's resignation are not doing it because they really care that much about Mandelson. The left are doing it because he is polling badly and very unpopular. The right would probably like him to limp on as he might not do as much harm as some of the others in his party.

Oh, haha! Sure.

Do I need to refine the bit about all of the small fishes making up the big fish? I didn’t want to patronise you, but no shame if you need me to break it down a bit further.

I don’t disagree that idiots are useful! They are being used to great effect for current political aims and social media is masterful at rounding them up. Cambridge Analytica, anybody?

How is it stinking hypocrisy? Starmer is the prime minister with access to the secret services. Farage is not. Clearly the levels of vetting for people in their respective parties will be very different.

That’s the point Yusuf was making. That even with access to the highest authorities in the land, Labour’s vetting of Mandelson appears to have been superficial at best.

We're not particularly important, we were just an easy early target with Brexit. Putin is doing the same thing in other countries - look at Australia, Germany, the Netherlands, Sweden.

It's so easy with social media. I'm not saying everyone on the right is a Russian bot - that would be stupid to believe - but there is huge influence. It's why every bloody news story on Facebook about someone who is not white has the same type of comments under it. It's where the racist flag campaign came from last summer - British people have never given a shit about flags before. It's why so many people keep saying 'Starmer is the worst PM ever in the history of the world' when he hasn't really done anything beyond make a few bad decisions and be a bit dull. Russia is using bots to shift the Overton window.

Look into Cambridge Analytica.

You’re right, Mandelson’s appointment was a failure at all levels of government and should never have been allowed to happen given his past history of sleaze. However, for one thing, we’re not quite privy to all the evidence of what went on yet so we will see.

Your correct Farage doesn’t have access to the security services, but if you think a leader of a political party with all of his influence couldn’t have launched a more in-depth investigation into his own party after one of one of his own party members got done for a very serious crime, then I don’t know what to say, really. Why couldn’t he have asked the police? He could have.

Since Farage, Mandelson and Trump clearly have the same agenda, perhaps they were in cahoots together to get him appointed, along with McSweeney, knowing that one 1) it would give America access to government information, and 2) he would be useful to throw under the bus when the time was right to make Labour look like the immoral ones, not reform.

McSweeney could well be implicated also, since he purged the Labour Party of its more left wing MP’s.

I mean, there was enough information about Mandelson out there in the public domain, yet Farage still endorsed his appointment in late 2024.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1972726/nigel-farage-donald-trump-US-ambassador-peter-mandelson/amp

What do you mean it was never popular here, in 1975 67.2 % voted in the public referendum to be in the EU.

Equally, plenty of people on the right voted to Remain, Remain wasn't a 'Left' vote.

I worked with Peter Mandelson at remain and all I can say is that the idea he was secretly trying to throw it for Epstein makes perfect sense to me.*

• Joking, not joking. I clearly recall strategy days where it was some of the weirdest emperors new clothes shit I have ever seen. I thought he had gone wrong in the head, instead of - as it turns out - just an all out wrong 'un. I wouldn't put anything past him at this stage.

Ch 17 in John Sweeney’s book Killer in the Kremlin helpfully lists them.
Trump, Farage, Matteo Salvini, Marine Le Pen, Gerhard Schroeder, George Osborne, Peter Mandelson, and Jeremy Corbyn (whose PR person, Seumas Milne was a Kremlin ‘patsy’, which led to Corbyn’s utterly ludicrous comments on the Salisbury attack).

YANBU. As a right of centre person I would never vote for them. Massive security risk and hugely corrupt.

What do you mean ‘ask the police’? Unless a crime has been committed by someone in his party, what are the police supposed to do? It’s not The Minority Report.

Your third paragraph is bordering on bonkers.