Is this benefitting her or women in general? I’m really unimpressed

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nb: this post is about Emily atack and her latest extremely sexual photos in the press

Why why why!!!!! She’s already successful, lots of money, seemingly intelligent and has a child and partner. Why why why do women keep wanting to come across as sex dolls? I really don’t understand especially as she has spoken about her experience of sexual assault before. Do so many women feel like the most important thing to them in life is still being classed as a ‘wanted, needed by men, sexual being’ above everything else? This can’t be for money purposes.

Its her job I guess and she was paid for this. I don't think she does a lot of acting work these days and is more of a "personality" and so I assume she has to take what she can.

One day we will move past the “she was asking for it” mentality.

The worse part is the women who seem to be going along with that too.

She’s just done Rivals which was big. This campaign is an offshoot of that.

She doesn't look v comfortable in herself, to me (disclaimer: I don't have my glasses on! 😂)
I think what OP might be trying to say, in a very clumsy way, is that some people feel that this kind of posing is underlining the idea of women as objects, which the vast majority of feminists don't align with.

A pp mentioned Sabrina Carpenter and her fantasy of girls.. I don't have any daughters but my friend's 10yo loves her but her mum isn't a fan of her young impressionable daughter seeing her idol in her sexy underwear all the time. You can say that's wrong and anti-women but I get what she means. Underwear is private. Get dressed up of course but v sexualised singers that appeal to tweens isn't great, not even mention the lyrics. Then I remind myself we were all singing along to Madonna etc and hadn't a clue what we were saying.

The fact remains a lot of the women that young kids are seeing on billboards etc are v sexualised and you would wonder what impression it makes.

I have no idea of OP's link to sexual assault

Sabrina Carpenter isn’t trying to market herself to tweens though.

What reaction will it have, will it turn men into rapists?

I don't know about that sorry, I remember she was on the inbetweeners but I haven't seen her in anything since.

It’s ok, no need to apologise. I haven’t seen it either but I just googled what she’s been in recently.

Exactly. Nor are most of the contemporary female pop stars I adore. They are grown-ups, singing about grown-up issues in their lyrics and presenting as grown-ups. Yes, some of her fans are young girls, young girls have always been prolific consumers of pop music, but that does not mean it is primarily aimed at them.
I have cared deeply about pop music since I was very young, obsessively following the charts and learning all the words to every song on the radio. However, I was aware that the music was not aimed primarily at me and that the artists were singing about grown-up things that I didn't always understand, it didn't cause me to be an over-sexualised seven-year-old though!
I was at primary school in the 90s when much pop music was at least as lyrically explicit as it is today but where female pop stars tended to have less agency and less involvement in making and marketing their own music. I think most of today's female music stars are a much better example than the artists I grew up loving and I am glad my daughter will be growing up in this era as I feel the messages that come across in contemporary female pop music are far more empowering than what the likes of the Spice Girls were selling.

Well put!

Sabrina Carpenter is not aimed at tween girls. She's 10 years older than Britney Spears was when she came on the scene in her tied-up schoolgirl shirt and knee socks.

Were people not awful to her because she had put weight on since being a teenager? Maybe this is a fuck you to all those people? She looks great and I don't really think she needs a reason at all.

Yes, and then they were awful to her when she lost weight.

People are just awful to women full stop. As evidenced by this thread!

'sizzles' 😂😂😂😂😂

Emily Atack always strikes me as an extremely insecure 'little girl', forever having to prove herself.

Well she greatly appeals to them then, and no doubt makes plenty of money from them..I personally prefer Britney as school girl than someone literally in her underwear.. why the need for thar? I do sometimes think how silly a man would look doing tbe same. Ed Sheeran and his guitar in his y fronts.. and that does make how normal and acceptable it is and wven expected, that female artists are expected to be so different.
And while she might be older, she looks almost like a teen herself so it's understandable that she attracts tweens as well as fans.
I suppose I do feel it's a shame that girls and women are so sexualised in so many ways and it's what young girls and boys are seeing and I don't think it's great that that's the image they have of what a girl or woman is- deliberately provocative poses in tight clothes as the norm eg boohoo ad on a local bus shelter here. Yes men do those photos hoots sometimes but it's nothing as frequent or in your face. I remember the impact it had on me and the expectation I felt of being thin, hot, booby (I was the opposite) while the boys just wore their jeans and hoodies and sat in judgement of us, or so it felt, also influenced by the same media around us growing up.
ETA sorry thought I'd quoted a pp on Sabrina Carpenter but see now I didn't.

I can’t quite get my head around how sexualising a teenager in school uniform is preferable to an adult woman in underwear. That’s fucked up.

Could you tell us how you would Advertise Agent Provocateur or any other underwear brand without using women models

You do realise that no one here is selling themselves for sex. The only thing on sale is the clothing.

typical Mail idococy, it's up there with "stuns" and "flaunts" and "shows her ex what he's missing". "sets pulses racing" . Men on the other hand just seem to go out wearing clothes

Plenty of male artists wear revealing or tight clothes

Most people over 30 don't give a toss about the charts or watch the Brits. I've never heard of her either.

Right?

"I'd rather someone look sexy as a child in child adjacent clothing than an adult in adult clothing"

This is so well said, thankyou.

She is free to do what she wants to. She looks great. Not for me to judge. What she wears or does has no connection to sexual assault.