To not get the visceral levels of hatred people have for Keir Starmer

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I’m not suggesting he’s the greatest prime minister ever. I’m not even suggesting he’s good at all. But some people really, really passionately hate him.

He is a bit insipid and doesn’t have much charisma but overall he seems like a decent enough bloke who perhaps lacks the political skill and acumen he needs. He’s out of his depth basically.

But that’s not a reason to actually despise someone is it?

When did we get to a point where we can’t just disagree without painting the other person as the devil incarnate?

It’s ok but not as effective at moving votes as bad policies that impact lives.

And it’s not fixed, pre GE Labour did use SM to get in but the reality is now being felt and people give their feedback in votes.

That’s democracy, not everyone will feel as you do about Labour. To be where they are Labour will have lost many people who did vote for them.

Nothing the legal team can do if a defendant choses to lie. Or succumb to outside pressure. Or the defence barrister is less persuasive on their feet than the prosecution. Plenty of really shit legal teams. Interesting to see who the Ukrainians can afford to have instructed.

I'm not saying of course that is what will happen. But the notion that the justice system always delivers a just outcome is for the birds.

Which is my main reason for being against capital punishment, as an aside.

Not much in public life these days. Which does upset me.

We’re not talking about a just outcome. You cast doubt that all the facts would emerge which is completely different.

Not really. A shit legal team will prep a shit case.

No shit, Sherlock. 🙄

The Great Replacement Theory springs to mind. That is a perennial favourite on MN.

I don't think he's a great PM but he's far better than recent predecessors or anyone offering an alternative.

There are plenty of reasons to criticise Labour - e.g. immediately changing their target of sorting NHS waiting lists from this parliament to next - but I do think the media are hugely responsible.

Why? Because Keir Starmer was also being blamed for the actions of the previous government long before he entered office. Opposition politicians and political commentators even kept referring to Labour whilst in opposition as "the Labour government" and it never ever went corrected on political show after political show.

Well that can be cleared up by looking at the numbers now and actual numbers in ten years time. Eventually the theory will either be proven true or false. Like global warming.

So you think a conspiracy theory that is rooted in anti-semitism might be proven to be true in ten years' time? That's...interesting.

Problem with Starmer is that he’s very middle of the road politics wise. That’s fine of course, but if you’re basically just a “manager” then you need to have a lot of charisma and/or be good at self promotion (Blair, for example, was reasonably good at both). Starmer has neither and so he’s an easy target for all sides of the political spectrum.

Didn’t help either that on becoming PM he effectively told 30%+ of his voters (ie, the more left wing of Labour) to fuck off and seemingly many have now obliged by going to the Greens.

The point is, its your legal team that is responsible for preparing a case. This will.include obtaining evidence. So your faith that all the facts of the case will be heard on open court is not guaranteed to be met. Amd if you have a shit legal team they may not investigate properly.

A court is not all-seeing and can only judge what is put before it.

I will have to bow to your knowledge that its rooted in anti semetism. Although TBF Jewish people dont appear about to overwhelm UK demographics.....So Im fairly sure thats not an issue that's all over MN!

Demographic change is an objective truth that can be assessed as the years pass on a scientific basis. Its not subjective. By contrast, is Keir Starmer a bad PM is a subjective question. Thats up for debate.

You like/agree with my post then argue with it? Defence legal teams work with evidence supplied by their client. Do you actually know anything about the law? That’s a rhetorical question, by the way. You clearly don’t.

Funny.

My point was that you said all the facts will be known at the trial. I have explained that may well not be the case. I gave my reasons why.

Thats all.

Oh and I thanked you for your post because it was nice to see the child-like persona coming out. Again.

I looked through old threads from 2022-2024 and people absolutely despised Rishi Sunak and what he did because he was rich. When he went and served a homeless man (out of the goodness of his heart) and asked him about what he wants to do there was so much venom here.

I dislike Keir starmer as PM. But he's done decent on handling Trump. He's not an evil person he's a man who runs the labour party. A party I disagree with.

I will have to bow to your knowledge that its rooted in anti semetism (sic)

It is not "my knowledge", it is a known fact.

https://www.ajc.org/translatehate/great-replacement

You being seemingly unaware of this bolsters pps point about people blindly lapping up and regurgitating disinformation and conspiracy theories.

To me I just checked census data it says in 1991 94% of the population was white but now it's 82%

I didnt know that "known fact". Hence why I bow to your knowledge.

Are you actually saying that the theory that the Jews are going to outnumber everyone else demographically in the UK is a worry thats going round MN? Because I hate to break it to you about the number of Jews in the UK.

So are you saying that demographic change over a period of 35 years means the Great Replacement Theory is true?

No. Just that there's demographic change.

Have you actually bothered to read the link I posted from the American Jewish Committee? Do you think the AJC is lying about the Great Replacement Theory being anti-semitic?

When/if the white population is replaced then it will not be a theory any longer.

Just like global warming. Its measurable.

Given the eye wateringly bad performance by our current government, casting aside law and democratic process willy nilly, it seems prudent not to dismiss any theory of explanation, however outlandish.

In my mind, their actions are either fully explained by gross incompetence and wilful stupidity or, to give them credit for more intelligence than that, there is a Big Plan. The only question is, what is that plan and why? I have no answers to those questions.

Why are they seemingly unbothered by spending £billions and billions on housing and facilities for immigrants - both asylum seekers and those already settled but not contributing to society economically? Why are they seemingly unbothered by driving entire UK industries into the ground? Why are they keen on the idea of the state killing citizens that are poor or disabled or depressed?

In times when our PM thinks that 1% of women have a penis, I don’t think we can dismiss any possible explanation as too crazy.

Of course I havent bothered. Because you're talking rubbish if you say that MN is worried about Jewish demographic change. Who cares. Its clearly irrelevant today.

If however you said the Great Replacement Theory was islamaphobic (whatever that is) then you may be listened to. Because that is a debatable question that is relevant today.