To not get the visceral levels of hatred people have for Keir Starmer

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I’m not suggesting he’s the greatest prime minister ever. I’m not even suggesting he’s good at all. But some people really, really passionately hate him.

He is a bit insipid and doesn’t have much charisma but overall he seems like a decent enough bloke who perhaps lacks the political skill and acumen he needs. He’s out of his depth basically.

But that’s not a reason to actually despise someone is it?

When did we get to a point where we can’t just disagree without painting the other person as the devil incarnate?

The Gruniad hated Corbyn too. It isn't clear which type of Labour leader it would actually support.

Post where you like. If pro Labour don’t want to read it they can scroll past.

Can’t stand the man. His response to the Southport tragedy was enough to cement just what kind of a man he is and how he truly views the people of this country

Well, i'd have thought you would know countries cannot go "Bankrupt" in the normal sense of the word.

On Blair spending, he ran a budget surplus, until 2007/8, a global financial crash, i believe the last time we ever did so, so what you re posting is totally false.

Debt to GDP was 65% in 2010, by 2020 it was over 85%.

BUT if you believe the situation in 2010 was the UK in Bankruptcy at 65% of debt, what on earth do you consider 100% debt to GDP is? which is what Reeves has got to deal with....

Brexit was a political decision, given to us by the Tories, they choose to have a referendum...

Definitely people broke the rules! No debate there. But unless those barbecue people also wrote the rules and punished the rest of us for infractions, I don't think it's the same.

I would rather have someone sensible and measured like Starmer in post as PM than someone rash and - well - unmeasured for want of a better word… as we are seeing elsewhere!

“They would say that, wouldn’t they?”

incidentally-why is Michelle Mone in the HOL?

Starmer had the ultimate poisoned chalice. Leader of a deeply divided party expected to produce instant results after years of underinvestment and mismanagement. And at at time when the world order is massively changing for the worse. He's certainly made mistakes, and was under pressure to make election promises that would always have been very difficult to keep in order to be electable. I'm disappointed in him in many ways, but am not sure how he could have met everyone's expectations.

I don't think the forces veterans are his besties. Or the fishermen. Or the farmers.
Or the pub landlords. Or the small business owners. Or the pensioners. Or the private school parents. Or the people of Crowborough/Epping and other locations.
Or the Waspi women...........

I despise him for his treatment of Rosie Duffield and women in general. I do think he has a shit job with the world in it's current state though

@Skybunneeis probably better off asking who likes him, at 11% approval rating.

Sunak had growth, relative to 6months of negative growth... under lying inflation was on the up... thats according to the BoE.

I note you cannot name a single public service that improved over 10 years (pre Covid) just a lot of tiny issues, eg 5p plastic bag charge....

On line Govt services?? lol.. like trying to contact HMRC?

Of course BB improved.... driven by the private sector, Govt has no business getting involved in that.... they don't know what they are doing.

"Amazing things on renewables" if you think shipping our used materials to Africa, Turkey, SE Asia to be dumped in rivers or burnt.

& now your party has dropped all NetZero and Green initiatives.

Vacc roll out done by the NHS NOT the Govt and with a Vacc subsequently withdrawn and now subject to law suits....

By 2015 every single NHS target/matrix had been missed.... and have continued their downward spiral.

I 've tried really hard to seek out any good they did over 14 years and can find nothing really substantive.

What i will never forgive them for though, is the running down of infrastructure like roads, public buildings etc but most importantly, Defence, once we saw Russia take Crimea in 2014, we should have started putting more money in but even in 2024, Tories went into the GE promising to cut Army numbers.

I actively dislike Boris Johnson, from what I know of him. Keir Starmer, on the other hand, doesn’t seem too bad, though I don’t agree with him on various things. Likewise, Rishi Sunak seemed to be a decent person trying to do his best. They are human beings, after all.

That’s just silly. If corruption is asserted it’s for that person to show it’s true.

Mone was never in government. The Tories started the civil proceedings to recover the money from her, two years before Labour came to office. The Tories stripped her of the whip. It takes an act of parliament to remove a peerage. Mone’s covid dealings show nothing about government corruption.

The National Audit Office found no evidence of corruption in government PPE contracts. The GLP lost every single case it brought about PPE.

Still this pack of lies about PPE corruption continues.

Public spending under Blair and Brown went up massively (not to mention PFI liabilities) after sticking to Tory fiscal rules for two years. Of course Labour was profligate.

This is not false.

On the contrary blossom. The government are elected by the people to work for the people. Over half of the population of the uk is female. Therefore if we continue your ‘the room’ analogy, and ‘the room’ is the uk electorate, Starmer sure as hell should be looking after that 51% as much as the 49%. Sadly his actions have shown he does not.

Providing high quality public services in tandem with a budget surplus is the polar opposite of profligate. As opposed to decimating them while simultaneously increasing the national debt by a third.

He always does that weird little hand thing when he's talking as if he's a ventriloquist missing his puppet.

We weathered a tough storm and came out decently with Sunak. Wish he'd stayed.

The Gov.UK movement to online services was a clear improvement. Not everything succeeded but lots did. Broadband expansion was private but aided by the government gap funding subsidises to cover the missing areas.

Look at the UK power generation mix. Nearly half renewables based thanks to the Tories and we decarbonised super quickly (and I believe faster than our competitors).

Yes the party has changed now and I disagree with it. The NHS is a government body and the rollout was organised thanks to Boris. It was a genuine success what he did co-ordinating the rollout.

Not everything worked out. But the Brown government did leave a note "I'm afraid there is no money". Even if you don't blame them from the crash what should you do if there is no money left?

Some people want women to shush, we must only talk about some deluded men eroding women's rights in the correct section.

Makes you wonder how they cope when say a thread about a work dispute goes off on a tangent about workplace relationships..not on this thread! Theres a board for relationships!

I don’t trust him. I don’t really know what he stands for. Or whether what he says one minute will change the next.
The last leader of what I would call a Labour Party of old was John Smith, sadly who died. None since.
I don’t think his Chancellor is any good either. And I won’t forgive both if Farage and Reform get into power. Nor the British public come to that.
They spend too much time chatting amongst themselves. And not having a clarity of vision and drive. They do not want what is best for Britain. Just what is best for themselves as individuals.

Hes the puppet. Its the ventriloquist that is missing 😅

I could definitely see your point of view. Its like a Labour leader is automatically held to higher standards than a Tory one. But..there is simply no.excuse at all for the parroting of anti immigration rhetoric, the kowtowing until very recently to Trump, and above all the despicable statements and inaction on the mass murder in Gaza. I dont hate him, but I think he really needs to go. A good CPS leader who should have stuck to what he was good at.

In fairness, it’s a tradition for outgoing Chief Secs to leave jokey notes. I don’t read anything into that.

It’s the bottomless pit of Labour public spending that we need to worry about.

Wish the labour party didn't scrap Rwanda