Reform person says I'm not necessarily British although born in UK. How can I tell?

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How can I tell if I and my children are British according to their definition?

If I might turn out not to be, and DS might turn out not to be could I be thrown out? Where to?

AIBU to be puzzled and a bit worried?

After all a lot of people seem to think Reform will be the next government.

I wouldn't think so. My cousin was born in Germany, his dad was in the British Forces. Hes a British citizen with a Britisb passport

Germany has only recently in the last few years to change the rules to allow both birthright citizenship IF a non German parent had five years of legal residency, and to allow dual citizenship - previously you couldn’t have German citizenship if you held another.

So if your cousin was born now to a British parent with five years of legal residency they could have a German citizenship too.

Legal citizenship depends? I was born overseas to a British mother and a overseas father but born in his country. That country granted me citizenship by birthright BUT I wasn't British by birthright. I am British by descent, as my mother is a British citizen by her birthright (born in Britain to British parents) so I am dual citizen.

Culturally, I've lived here most of my life, went to school/uni here, and totally consider myself British. But my daughter was born overseas (I lived overseas temporarily) and I couldn't pass on my Britishness to her - she got that from her dad (British born to British parents) as my Britishness is by descent and I can't pass that on. She is also British by descent and she'll need to consider that when she has her own children. She also wasn't eligible to be a citizen of the country she was born in, due to the visa status of me and her dad, so god knows what would have happened if her dad hadn't been able to pass on his "Britishness!".

So basically, where you're a legal citizen depends on the rules of the country you're born in and the country you live in, if not one and the same. If there is any doubt, check the legalities!! Culturally, people who live here and make their home here can consider them selves British and the more the merrier. But legally, just make sure you're safe if there's a chance Reform get in. I have already told my dad (ILR, not a citizen but lived here most his adult life) to become a citizen, just in case.

The most confusing one I've heard...
Father New Zealand
Mother Estonian.
Born in Cyprus.
Child is... British.

Because the father was serving in the British Army at the time.
Its not as simple as were you are born. My DD is 100% British despite not being born in the UK.

Its unfortunate though... sad to say, no one doubts when a White person says they are British. Any other ethnicity... you could be a descendent of royalty, Hugh Grant and a Pearly King/Queen, born on the Easter Dersingham set and some dickhead will still question you.

Me too. Born in the M.East to British parents who happen to be working overseas (various countries) for 10-odd years.
I think mum and dad registered me when we came back to the UK. Can't quite remember what they told me as a kid and both parent's have passed away. My birth certificate is in Arabic.

I also hope Reform are never allowed anywhere near power. But I do love marmalade and the occasional bit of marmite.

I’d go by whatever my passport says.

Everything else is so vague. I did one of those ancestry tests for fun and I was only 35% of my “actual” nationality (same territory, I mean). I was really surprised and found it quite curious/interesting. Just goes to show what a construct identity can be.

Read John Crace’s take on it. The btl comments on his column are always very enlightening, too.
This Reform twerp is characterised by Crace as ‘a media gobshite from GB News’, which should reassure you about Goodwin’s general intellectual heft and likely political career, OP.

(BTW though: are you not eligible for citizenship by virtue of long residence in GB, even if you fail on the descent or birthright clauses? Do pursue a passport)

www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/jan/27/matthew-goodwin-gorton-and-denton-reform-uk-minorities

My DCs were not born in the UK but are regarded as British because I am. Place of birth does not dictate nationality.

But for Irish citizens of course, there is the longstanding Common Travel Area agreement, which guarantees our right to live and work in Britain, as it does the other way around for British citizens and Ireland.
Reform would be even more foolish than we thought were they to undermine that setup while Britain still occupies the Six Counties, and where the fragile peace must not be endangered by political showboating.
Reunification of the island (an inevitability in the near future) will depend on a placid relationship between our countries, and any rabblerouser who fanned the still-hot embers of old conflagrations here would deserve being strung up by his nipples.
(Or hers, in fact, given the quality of the women who’ve joined this rotten lot. Priti Patel can’t be far behind ‘em, and she advocated a second Great Famine for Ireland during the Brexit shenanigans)

China doesn’t allow dual citizenship so if you’re British to British parents and born in China then you would still be British.

You can renounce your British citizenship quite easily. Info here: https://www.gov.uk/renounce-british-nationality

I'm not arsed enough to bother. It doesn't affect me in my daily life.

And just checked - definitely not arsed enough to spend £482 to renounce it.

😂 Who would spend that kind of money if they didn't have to?

Why does it matter if her parents were born in the UK?

Because the right to be British is passed down from your parents rather than actual place of birth

It’s all very ‘hyperbole’. What do you think Reform are going to do? Force everyone to have DNA tests to confirm their racial makeup? I know for a fact after I had a test that I’m part Germanic and Scandinavian and a little bit of something not recognisable!

@PaperBlueCornflower it depends when you were born and whether one of your parents was British
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Well they’re technically right that Britain operates on a bloodright citizenship model not a birthright one. Jus Sanguinis not Jus Soli.

I know you are going to accuse me of being hyperbolic but 23andme tests probably wont be required for someone with Germanic and Scandinavian heritage, bsfr 🙃.

There is an extra option for a parent who is not British but has legal residency - ie not a tourist - for their children to be citizens.

I really appreciate all the contributions on this thread.

I can see Im.not the only person to be unsettled by this.

Quite right, he’s just raving about skin colour. The usual bilge.

Like you @OchonAgusOchonOh I was born England; in London in the ‘50s. Both parents Irish citizens, thus I’ve both Irish and UK birthright citizenships.
But I’ve always had an Irish passport, right from a very young age. As far as I’m concerned, my British citizenship is sort of ‘in the Cloud’ but I never wanted it, and have lived in Ireland since I was 30 anyway.
Renunciation, officially that is, means no more to me than the weird steps one must take to be ‘released’ from the Catholic Church who have had me on the books since birth.
In both cases, I adopt the ‘Non serviam’ stance and consider myself free of both!

I was born there in the 60's to Irish parents. We moved back to Ireland when I was two. Other than a brief period working in London in the 80's I've never lived there so I'm of the "Non serviam prorsus(1)" school.

I think I'm technically kicked out of catholicism due to an abortion. Interestingly, dh, who was part of the decision making, has not been ejected. He and db are jealous of my non-catholic status but, like you don't care enough to remove themselves formally.

1. With thanks to ChatGPT for telling me what intensifier to use.

“Reform” are supposed to be some radical establishment alternative - and yet they keep recruiting Tory castoffs like they’re going out of fashion. Clearly it wasn’t the 14 years of Tory government/politicians that was a complete failure on cost of living, jobs, housing, NHS, immigration etc … the party just had the wrong name! Thank goodness that’s all sorted now though!

There shouldn't be a difference though. If someone is born in Britain and subsequently raised in the UK, the 'from' is pretty clear because Britain is all they've known.
Even biology supports that view as our cells get renewed every 7 or so years and you can literally tell from someone's skeleton where they grew up - no need for a passport, the land seeps into your literal bones.