To reckon that Reform will win the next election, and to be utterly terrified about it? 😪

[mumofoneAloneandwell]

i am a leftie

I think they’ll win

If don’t, they’ll have the majority in a hung parliament and govern as a minority party before joining with the Tories.

i’m going to tighten my belt re running my home and prepare for onslaught as the country becomes unrecognisable

Don't they have about 7 MPs at the moment out of 600+?
I don't think they're going to win any time soon - what they will do is split the Conservative vote though.

I’m not at all a leftie and I’m also terrified.

They’re awful, corrupt, incompetent snakes and will be a huge risk to national security.

Why don’t you wait until they produce their manifesto first. They will be scrutinised by the top political journalists, they will be forced to cost their policies, they will be held to account.

A UK prime minister does not have the same authoritive power as a president does.

What are you scared about exactly?

(I am the most left in this house, I think if Reform get in it will be x3 years of nothing getting done just scandal over ineptitude and text messages).

Google Neil kinnock 1992. We cannot predict the election this far out - they couldn't predict it 24 hours out.

Yes it's scary. Not in a Tory austerity worries me way but in a they have suggested abolishing free at the point of need health care, reviewing abortion rights and introducing a UK ICE kind of way. We can see the leader literally lying and people believing him against all the odds and that kind of cult worship is frightening.

But there are 3 years to go. We can do something. Active hope and taking action us healthier

Just wait till one of the Tories with Cabinet experience challenges for a top post.

Nige will flounce out to form a new party
and the whole thing will collapse

Well….
surely with what was revealed in Davos last week, its time for a change. The end result of what the current leaders are all trying to engineer is purely sickening.

I think if they do, they're going to very swiftly discover there is a huge difference between braying about what should be done and actually managing to do it. Between spouting any old nonsense promise to gain support and delivering on them to keep it.
I think there will be a very uncomfortable, distressing period when underprivileged and disadvantaged people sold the lie that their problems would be over if we 'stop the boats', realise they are actually no better off at all, and that the protections they are most likely to need, the welfare state and NHS are the price they've paid for this pie in the sky.
After which they will be voted out. My fervent hope as a fellow leftie is that parties that are supposed to represent this end of the spectrum get their act together ready to fill the gap.

You think Farage has something better to offer?

You'd imagine we would have learned something after Brexit, his would be much much worse 😢

I still think Keir's got time to turn things around. Labour's big mistake was to stop the winter fuel allowance. That seemed to turn people against them right from the start. I know it's been reintroduced, but the right wing press have done a number on them in the meantime. If Reform get in we're all doomed. I don't think they will though.

They can trash the economy very fast by being incompetent and corrupt. Look how much harm Liz Truss did and she was in for less than the shelf life of a lettuce.

Even if they don’t manage to succeed at ICE type stuff and destroying the NHS they will likely make us all a lot poorer.

I'm starting to think this is likely. At least three of the recent defections previously campaigned to be Tory leader. Probably Liz Truss will be next. I doubt they have the continence of ambition to wait until after the general election to try to oust Farage.

Labour might be out but it’s still hard to predict if it’ll be Reform. Let’s see, still some time away.

"Why don’t you wait until they produce their manifesto first. They will be scrutinised by the top political journalists, they will be forced to cost their policies, they will be held to account."

But many of their voters won't look at political news and see them being held to account. See also Brexit.

I don’t think is a foregone conclusion. I think people are fed up of the current government which despite proclaiming to be for working people has left many worse. The scrapping of two child benefit cap , the freezing big personal allowances etc if you are working you are worse off but if you are on benefits the perception is Labour has been good for you. I know that isn’t necessarily the case but that is the perception, the Tory’s made such a bad job of things that people want change and I can understand the view that it can’t be much worse as Reforms rhetorical in parts sounds like common sense. I don’t think Reform will be a disaster but neither do I think they have the answers

I’m a (disgruntled) member of the Labour Party and unless something unexpected happens, they’re going to either win or be the largest party. There’s so much denial about it, and very little action to actually do something about it. It’s massively frustrating.

As a middle class white person who isn’t disabled and isn’t on benefits and gets private healthcare through work, I probably don’t have much to worry about personally. I fear massively for those who aren’t in the same position as me, and just hope people are preparing as best they can.

I agree. Labour was meant to prevent this continued slide to the right but they've really destroyed that. I resent Labour for that.

What's going on? 👀

My thoughts exactly today. It's a horrible thought.

Given our existing parties have been able to achieve absolutely nothing, I can’t imagine they will be any different.

TBH they increasingly seem to be disaffected Tory MPs anyway. So it’s Conservatives but a big angrier about immigration.

@AmIReallyOCD I follow WEF quite closely and I'm confused by your post

Are you one of these people who's only just realised what they do? When they've been talking about it in plain sight for years and years? And live streaming their talks!

It’s over three years till the next General Election. A week in politics is a long time, never mind three years. Absolutely no point being ‘terrified’.

Hopefully the US will come to it's collective senses long before the next election which will have an impact on what happens.

In the interests of balance here’s what Labour claim to have done so far:

NHS
Secured £400m investment to boost clinical trials, improving NHS services and driving growth.
Announced that over 1,000 more GPs will be recruited this year, supporting NHS services.
Set out his long-term plan to rebuild our NHS for good and transform services over the next 10 years.
TRANSPORT
Ended train strikes, delivering for passengers.
Launched new legislation to bring the UK's railways back into public ownership which will improve rail services.
Given communities more power over their local bus services.
HOUSING
Banned no-fault evictions and introduced new protections for renters.
Delivered planning reform to build the homes we need.
Announced ‘Homes for Heroes’ - a programme to ensure all UK Armed Forces Veterans as well as domestic abuse survivors and care leavers have a roof over their head.
CRIME AND BORDER SECURITY
Kickstarted a plan to restore neighbourhood policing.
Scrapped the wasteful Rwanda scheme and launched a Border Security Command to smash the criminal smuggling gangs and improve the UK's border security.
EDUCATION
Launched a Curriculum and Assessment Review to help improve schools.
Started the drive to recruit 6,500 teachers nationally, improving the education system.
Launched Skills England to transform opportunities and drive growth.
Scrapped single headline Ofsted grades in schools in landmark school reform.
Overhauled apprenticeships through a new Growth and Skills Levy.
Supported parents by announcing the first stage of the government's plan to deliver 3,000 school-based nurseries.
Announced the Children's Wellbeing bill which will remove barriers to opportunity and make sure the school system is fair for every child.
Kickstarted the rollout of free breakfast clubs for all primary school children through an early adopters scheme.
ECONOMY AND EMPLOYMENT
Unveiled new measures to support small businesses impacted by late payments.
Scrapped the ban on onshore wind and unblocked solar schemes to deliver lower bills and good jobs.
Announced improved employment rights for workers, with a package of reforms that will Make Work Pay - including ending exploitative zero hour contracts, providing statutory sick pay from day one, and ending fire and rehire.
Secured a record 131 new green infrastructure projects which will create jobs and drive growth.
Announced a new National Wealth Fund to unlock private investment.
Introduced a new Fiscal Lock Law to deliver economic stability and protect family finances.
Announced new Covid Corruption Commissioner to get back what is owed to people.
Launched landmark pensions review to support pensioners.
ENVIRONMENT
Launched a new Floods Resilience Taskforce to turbocharge flood preparedness and support delivery of flood defences.
Delivered new measures to penalise water bosses who pollute waters.
Announced a new deal for farmers, which will go further to support farmers, boosting rural economic growth and strengthening Britain's food security.
COST OF LIVING
Launched the Warm Homes Plan to deliver lower energy bills and lift over one million households out of fuel poverty.
Established the Child Poverty Taskforce, working across government departments to tackle child poverty.
Working to drive up Pension Credit applications.
Extended the Household Support Fund to support struggling households with bills and essential costs over winter.
DEFENCE
Launched a new Armed Forces Commissioner who will be a strong, independent champion to improve life for UK service personnel and their families.
Awarded our armed forces the largest pay increase in decades which will renew the nation's contract with those who serve.

Yes this, they're very very unstable, will be unable to form a government let alone govern. I'm not worried about Reform, but I don't think that's why people vote for them. They're just an immigration pressure group