So upset about ICE killings in Minnesota

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So upset about the killings. No investigation and victim blaming from the Trump administration. I see no hope for America. Trump will cancel the midterms possibly elections or will rig them. The most powerful western country - one we thought was our friend is dying
im so sad for the bereaved and do sad for the country

More on the conditions children are being incarcerated in at Dilley, some for six months:
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/kids-texas-immigration-facility-nightmares-school-food-dilley-ice-rcna257473

I watched the video for the first time today and the noise of the whistles was overwhelming. I can't imagine how loud it must've been there!

The ICE agents defo used more force than necessary but I actually think the whistleblowers were escalating the situation if I'm honest. We know that loud noises trigger 'fight or flight' responses and it's likely that the ICE agents were already full of adrenaline as a fair few have been fatally shot in the last year and death threats have apparently risen by 8000% recently.

If I had a stressed officer pointing a gun at me I'd not want people to do anything that could further agitate him or elicit a 'fight or flight' response. Just the presence of all those people would've increased tensions, even before the whistles started.

Where did you find the information that a fair few have been fatally shot in the last year?
Are you sure you're not mixing up the number that have been killed by, or under, ICE? Because that number is a bit higher than a 'fair few' 🙄
More likely the adrenaline is due to the power trip and the enjoyment they clearly get from having carte blanche to do whatever the fuck they want, as violently as they want.

The only info I could find was that 2 ICE agents have been killed since 2003, one by an escaped US born prisoner and one in a shootout in Mexico in 2011.
There have been 7 border patrol agents killed since 2003, the last one in early 2025 by a cultist in Vermont.
So whilst you are being told how dangerous it is for them, it really isn't. It's all part of the propaganda.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/toddler-hospitalized-dilley-ice-detention-rcna257912

I can't imagine what Amalia's parents are going through.

For those who think that ICE are doing a great job...

Irishman snatched up by ICE and tossed into 'concentration camp' for months: report

Hmm you see he says 'concentration like' conditions due to small portions and child size juice containers. Maybe he hasn't seen Schindler's list or any footage from WW2 but I don't think small juice cartons were the issue it was the mass murder, the executions the deaths from disease etc that were the problems.

From your article 'The judge noted numerous irregularities on ICE court documents but ultimately sided with the agency, and he has no right to appeal that ruling under U.S. law' So clearly there are issues with his paperwork. Why after being in the US 20yrs hasn't he got the correct documentation, you really think it's Nasty Ice making shit up? It's like when drug mules get arrested they all reckon it's a fix and they're model citizens too.

Isn't this a good thing, proves they aren't targeting 'brown people' as some posters have alleged?

Isn't this a good thing, proves they aren't targeting 'brown people' as some posters have alleged?
They're primarily targeting Latinos on racial grounds, rather than brown people.

That's not really up for debate given that ICE confirmed in various lower court cases that they were using racial profiling as a basis for conducting stops, and eventually got a partial win in the Supreme Court (which essentially said that they cannot use race as a standalone factor but that it is a relevant factor provided another is present).

I saw this yesterday. There are too many to keep up with but this poor man won't be doing the very event her was training with his team for. Might not do another at all
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/us-citizen-assaulted-border-patrol-chicago-halloween-parade-b2853988.html

They are getting off on this tactic

Well it is absolutely relevant when this bloke thinks he's in a concentration camp because his squash carton is to small.

The judge upheld the decision so clearly after 20yrs he cba to sort his docs out properly.

Why are you grossly misrepresenting what the articles says?

Actual article: He said he has been locked in the same large, cold and damp room for four and a half months with more than 70 men...detainees are constantly hungry because meals served at tables in the centre of the room offer only child-sized portions. Fights often break out over food, 'even over those little child-sized juice containers.' Toilet areas are 'filthy.'"

It does not say that he is complaining that his squash carton is small, but that food is so limited that fights break out over even small items like squash cartons.

It seems like you are being very dishonest?

No, it really isn’t.
His documents were fine. He was, and had been, seeking legal residency exactly as he should.
ICEstapo, however, forged the docs to say he’d signed them.
The FEDERAL (that matters) judge noted the issue with ICEstapo paperwork but let it proceed anyway.

Why are you insisting that something is true that is t? Can you explain that at all? It’s fascinating in a weird way. It is right there but you only take the regime narrative.

And minimising the conditions of the concentration camps and reducing the issues down to juice boxes is also interesting. Record numbers are dying in the caps, being denied medical care, which lack of fluids will contribute to, and you latch on to the juice boxes? What’s with that?

'He was, and had been, seeking legal residency exactly as he should'

He'd lived there 20yrs. Bit late to the legal residency thing isn't it?

Irrelevant. He had a valid work permit and drivers licence. No idea what his status was before he applied for a green card 🤷‍♀️

You were wrong. HIS papers were not the problem. it’s ok to acknowledge that 😊

No, he overstayed his initial 3 month visa, so has been living there without a valid work permit for quite some time. Subsequent marriage allowed him to apply to a green card.

Pre-Trump, its unlikely he would have been detained or faced potential deportation. The US benefits economically from having a large, undocumented workforce of low skill labour, so they've generally been happy to allow non-criminal overstayers to remain in the country (particularly one who now has a legal green card application underway), but ICE have their quotas to fill now, so all bets are off.

The guy took a gamble and it now hasn't paid off. I don't condone the conditions he's being detained in, but ICE are onside of the law here (accusations of forged documents aside).

(accusations of forged documents aside)

@DeepBlueDeer pretty big thing to skip over, no?

Anyone overstaying takes a gamble but the fact remains that he had a valid work permit and one final interview to go as part of the green card process.
A judge then granted his release on a $4000 bond which was paid only to have the fed govt continued to retain him without any explanation.
Only when his lawyer appealed to a federal court did ICE come up with documents they say (and he has always denied) he signed agreeing to be deported. Convenient.

Those documents are the reason he was denied release so central to the decision made. Not that he overstayed his visa by a million years. The very same govt accepted his green card application and authorised his work permit, legitimising his status. The only way for ICEstapo to be onside of the law here is by producing those documents 🤷‍♀️

Although it feels (and is) harsh, he entered under the visa waiver program and the terms of that include a waiver of due process rights (for anyone other than asylum seekers). Even with the work permit, his status is still of a vwp overstayer.

ICE did produce the documents at a hearing and the judge determined they were likely genuine.

From what I can tell though if you’re married to a us citizen the most realistic way of getting your green card/visa is to overstay and complete the process there. Returning to a home country and doing it from outside the us is complicated, expensive, and takes a long time. Not great if you’re living apart from your new spouse. Immigration lawyers seem to advise this way. And it does take years and a lot of money- the speed often depends on how much money you can pay to smooth the way.

i suppose the us either needs a blanket zero tolerance on immigration- everyone not on a current valid visa goes home, regardless of where they are in the process, or make the process easier from the outside for those wanting to legally immigrate. But then how that works for asylum seekers…

my friends dc is out there on a sports scholarship and graduates next year. They can’t train in the UK so applied for a visa/green card to stay until 2028 for the olympics. Athletes who applied last year have been granted, all applications this year have been refused. It’s shit for them.

i also read it’s a civil issue not a criminal one? So hauling people off to detention facilities seems insane.

bottom line is ICE have quotas. These “50k” signing bonuses are in fact 10k per year, dependent on meeting your quota of retained persons. I think someone did the maths and if every new ice agent detains their quota then that would be 1/3 of the us population detained over the next 5 years.

British woman detained for 6 days before being given a green card.

UK woman arrested by ICE freed in time for Thanksgiving

'The people in the center aren’t treating her badly, but we just can’t believe this is happening'
Well what a relief that she wasn't kept in 'concentration camp conditions' like poor Seamus and given small juice cartons.

She was detained and released a few days later. What a non story, only notable really as again proof that it isn't just Latinos and brown people being targeted and detained.

Well what a relief that she wasn't kept in 'concentration camp conditions' like poor Seamus and given small juice cartons.
Why do you persist with misrepresenting this in such a weaselly manner?

Some of you keep persisting with the concentration camp comparisons. A detention centre with small portions is not a concentration camp. We've been through this.

Let me see: overcrowding, disease, malnutrition...

If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck...

I haven't made any concentration camp comparisons.

But there's an obvious difference between "I'm only getting child-sized juiceboxes" (your spin) vs "there is so little food that fights are breaking out over who gets the child sized juicebox".

Also worth pointing out that Seamus alleges that the ICE staff have killed detainees.