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So upset about ICE killings in Minnesota

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Allotmentblackfly · 24/01/2026 23:55

So upset about the killings. No investigation and victim blaming from the Trump administration. I see no hope for America. Trump will cancel the midterms possibly elections or will rig them. The most powerful western country - one we thought was our friend is dying
im so sad for the bereaved and do sad for the country

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DdraigGoch · 01/02/2026 13:13

Meanwhile in Portland, Federal agents unleashed tear gas and pyrotechnics on a peaceful march.

The first amendment means nothing to this lot, it's very clear who the "agitators" are.

NoKidsSendDogs · 01/02/2026 15:07

DdraigGoch · 01/02/2026 13:13

Meanwhile in Portland, Federal agents unleashed tear gas and pyrotechnics on a peaceful march.

The first amendment means nothing to this lot, it's very clear who the "agitators" are.

Many of whom were children and toddlers. I'm not surprised that a party of pedophiles doesn't care about hurting kids, but the mental gymnastics their idiot supporters must go through to justify what they do is astounding. I guess it's easier when you have no convictions or ability for cognitive reasoning.

Gloriia · 01/02/2026 15:09

CJsGoldfish · 01/02/2026 13:00

Oh, you thought I was trying to 'debate' with you? That would assume you had something credible to offer but we've seen how that's gone 🤣

I am glad, however, that you finally confirmed that you DO believe governors and mayors should be participating in the blatant disregard of the Constitution, the thuggery of ICEstapo and the mad descent into facism.
You know who else had a 'job to do'?

'Huge problem'? There's that 'common enemy' again 🙄

I'm not sure what you find so hilarious about this?

I believe governors and their mayors should work with law enforcement officers to protect the public not whip up hate and unrest, they finally seem to be doing that.

Do you think 'ICEstapo' is a clever and funny play on words or something? Do Google the word gestapo to see the atrocities committed which are not comparable to law enforcement officers in the US.

LlttledrummergirI · 01/02/2026 15:21

Sigh.

DdraigGoch · 01/02/2026 15:25

Gloriia · 01/02/2026 15:09

I'm not sure what you find so hilarious about this?

I believe governors and their mayors should work with law enforcement officers to protect the public not whip up hate and unrest, they finally seem to be doing that.

Do you think 'ICEstapo' is a clever and funny play on words or something? Do Google the word gestapo to see the atrocities committed which are not comparable to law enforcement officers in the US.

Protect the public from who?

The federal government?

RedTagAlan · 01/02/2026 15:30

DdraigGoch · 01/02/2026 13:13

Meanwhile in Portland, Federal agents unleashed tear gas and pyrotechnics on a peaceful march.

The first amendment means nothing to this lot, it's very clear who the "agitators" are.

Wait till you see the website for the company ICE buy their tear gas from. It's no wonder they use so much.

Riot Control Continuous Discharge Grenade, CS - Defense Technology (defense-technology.com)

Riot Control Continuous Discharge Grenade, CS - Defense Technology

The Riot Control CS Grenade is designed specifically for outdoor use in crowd control situations with a high volume continuous burn that expels its payload in approximately 20-40 seconds through four gas ports located on the top of the canister. This g...

https://www.defense-technology.com/product/riot-control-continuous-discharge-grenade-cs/

CJsGoldfish · 01/02/2026 20:26

Gloriia · 01/02/2026 15:09

I'm not sure what you find so hilarious about this?

I believe governors and their mayors should work with law enforcement officers to protect the public not whip up hate and unrest, they finally seem to be doing that.

Do you think 'ICEstapo' is a clever and funny play on words or something? Do Google the word gestapo to see the atrocities committed which are not comparable to law enforcement officers in the US.

You already know what I'm finding hilarious because you've asked and I've answered. I do that. HTH

Clever? Funny? Not sure why you'd think that when I have repeatedly stated just how chilling this descent is, and has been. Really, save your faux outrage 🤷‍♀️

medium.com/@richard.brody/eerie-horrific-similarities-between-ice-gestapo-f094e7fffa1e

But just in case your link finger isn't working.

Whenever anyone mentions either Hitler, Nazi Germany, the Gestapo and SS, etc., there are many people who claim to be outraged by the comparison! Some claim doing this is either dishonest, untrue, or an overreaction, while others who have horrible family memories from the Holocaust and associated events, and seem to feel any comparison, in some way, minimizes their loss! Although, one could probably do a thesis on the comparison between President Trump (and some of his closest advisors) and Hitler (and his), the purpose of this article is rather, to consider, examine, review and discuss some eerie, horrific similarities between today’s ICE (and its behavior and actions) and those of the 1930’s to early 1940’s Gestapo and so-called Brown Shirts (used in Nazi Germany to refer to the SA or Sturmabtilung, which was the Nazi Party’s paramilitary organization , often referred to as “Storm Troopers” in England). Please beware it does not mean ICE is a Nazi group, but rather some of its actions and activities are eerily similar!

  1. Warrantless arrests & searches: We are witnessing what certainly resemembles those horrible events from 85–90 years ago! In a democracy, in most cases (unless certain specific conditions exist) a court-issued warrant is required to perform many types of searches, and many arrests. Over and over again, it has been revealed, ICE often uses masks and hoods to cover their face and identity, often not even showing any identification of proof of their authority! When this becomes widespread, no one is safe, because it means we are accepting the concept of a Police State, and accepting the diminishment of basic democratic rights, freedoms and privileges. This is exactly what the Gestapo and the Brownshirts often did, and soon, Nazi Germany and other nations where the Nazis invaded and took control, the reduction in many of these rights. It clearly violate ths concepts such as: No one above the law; equal rights and protections of/from the law/justice; legal protections regarding search and seizure, etc.; human rights; free speech; right to protest/assemble; etc.
  2. Suspending legal rights: Basic democratic concepts and legal rights, such as the right to counsel, being read one’s Miranda rights, imprisonment without court appearance to plea, and/or be read the charges, no steps towards trial, etc., have apparently been suspended for many of those detained by ICE. In some cases, even the right to inform one’s family of where you are being detained, etc., have been eliminated. Some use as an excuse/explanation, this is being done because there is an emergency, where so-called violent, dangerous undocumented individuals, yet the reality is in Trump’s nearly 4 1/2 months im office, there have been fewer deportations than in his predecessor, Joe Biden’s similar period, last year! Dangerous criminals should be deported, but if we suspend habeas corpus and due process, we are violating the basic principles, this nation was founded on!
  3. Concentration camps on foreign soil: If this President studied history, he might not act as he is. One of the darkest stains in US history was the detention camps, in California, where we held Japanese-Americans during World War II. Perhaps, he would have learned from the horrific crimes against humanity during the Holocaust, when anyone who potentially disagreed with the Fuhrer were arrested, and sent to those camps! Perhaps, Donald Trump would take to heart the famous poems from the German cleric, which most of us, refer to as, They came for… When ICE and the DOJ, against court orders, sent people to similar facilities, in El Salvador and other places, without any of the rights or legal protections, it sure seemed like the atrocities from the past!
  4. No habeas corpus: Every true democracy since the Magna Carta (1215) has enshrined and protected the concept and right, referred to as habeas corpus, and its associated due process protections! In the USA, it is enshrined, and clearly state, every individual within this nation (citizen or not) was entitled to these protections. Of course, Nazi Germany did not do so, and now, ICE and Trump’s DOJ, Department of Homeland Security, and State Department seem quite willing to neglect these protections, using the false premise they are only provided to US citizens, even though, the Courts have, thus far, clearly ruled against the Trump government’s approaches.
  5. Little to no government oversight: One of the key components and concepts of our Declaration of Independence and US Constitution is the checks and balances, created by the Balance of Powers. We keep seein what seems like executive overreach, where the President and his minions seem enabled by the SCOTUS Presidential immunity ruling, and Trump appears to feel he is above the law. Tradionally, Presidents have appointed Cabinet members and advisors, who have specific experiences and expertise, to make government agencies operate more smoothly, and in accordance with our traditions, and the greater good. Supposedly, the DOJ and the AG and FBI Director are supposed to be the people’s attorney and law enforcement overlookers, but both Bondi and Patel have been behaving more like Trump’s personal attorney that as AG, and Patel has seemed to simply follow orders without questioning. That’s how Hitler, so quickly gained power and control, and demanded outright loyalty. In our democracy, those in government take an oath to the Constitution, and NOT any President! We are not supposed to allow anything similar to the hateful, obedient, Nazi salute!
All of these behaviors and actions seem to have as a common thread, inducing fear and thus, making blind compliance mandatory! While only time will tell if we allow ICE to become this generation’s version of the Gestapo and Brown Shirts, many of the steps and actions taken to date, are eerily similar to the horrific days of Nazi Germany! Jews and many others state, Never Again, related to those Nazi atrocities, but we all must remember and learn from what occurred at the onset, and ensure we don’t permit anything, or anyone, using similar tactics, etc.! Wake up America, and don’t be fooled again. Resist and persist, as if our freedoms, rights and democracy may depend on doing so, because it very-possibly, may!
TooBigForMyBoots · 01/02/2026 20:28

Gloriia · 01/02/2026 15:09

I'm not sure what you find so hilarious about this?

I believe governors and their mayors should work with law enforcement officers to protect the public not whip up hate and unrest, they finally seem to be doing that.

Do you think 'ICEstapo' is a clever and funny play on words or something? Do Google the word gestapo to see the atrocities committed which are not comparable to law enforcement officers in the US.

The ICEstapo are a government gang of hatefilled lawless thugs nowadays. American citizens need protection from them.🤷‍♀️

Fair play to those elected officials who put America and Americans before the confused, messed up wishes of that senile, sex offender in the Whitehouse.👏👏👏

Gloriia · 01/02/2026 20:40

TooBigForMyBoots · 01/02/2026 20:28

The ICEstapo are a government gang of hatefilled lawless thugs nowadays. American citizens need protection from them.🤷‍♀️

Fair play to those elected officials who put America and Americans before the confused, messed up wishes of that senile, sex offender in the Whitehouse.👏👏👏

Or, as most people can see those in a country illegally need removing as we can't all up sticks and ignore rules to live where we please. Law enforcement officers have a job to do, thankfully now with the local leaders assisting not obstructing.

CJsGoldfish · 01/02/2026 20:48

NoKidsSendDogs · 01/02/2026 15:07

Many of whom were children and toddlers. I'm not surprised that a party of pedophiles doesn't care about hurting kids, but the mental gymnastics their idiot supporters must go through to justify what they do is astounding. I guess it's easier when you have no convictions or ability for cognitive reasoning.

It is estimated that there were at least 3,800 children detained last year. Of course, this number will only be increasing.
There is also a legally binding federal agreement regarding children in detention with a 20 day max for children to be held. Of course, this regime wishes to terminate that agreement and is holding thousands beyond that 20 days.
In addition to the court order to release Liam Ramos, there was another to release a 2 yr old who was taken a couple of days after Liam Ramos, that 'worst of the worst' , when ICEstapo smashed the window to force entry into a car she was in. Not an isolated incident
I cannot imagine the trauma to these children and the tacit condonation of this treatment by those who parrot the regime lies.

CJsGoldfish · 01/02/2026 20:53

Gloriia · 01/02/2026 20:40

Or, as most people can see those in a country illegally need removing as we can't all up sticks and ignore rules to live where we please. Law enforcement officers have a job to do, thankfully now with the local leaders assisting not obstructing.

That's the 3rd time you've mentioned local leaders assisting without a bite 🤣

I don't think this is the 'win' you think it is. We'll see if ICEstapo complies with what has been agreed. Which, btw is more of a confirmation of how lawless and violent they've been than anything else 🤷‍♀️

"most people can see.." Careful, you'll do yourself an injury with a stretch like that 🤣

DeepBlueDeer · 01/02/2026 21:16

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DdraigGoch · 01/02/2026 21:25

Gloriia · 01/02/2026 20:40

Or, as most people can see those in a country illegally need removing as we can't all up sticks and ignore rules to live where we please. Law enforcement officers have a job to do, thankfully now with the local leaders assisting not obstructing.

Many of those detained were not in the US illegally.

DeepBlueDeer · 01/02/2026 21:29

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1dayatatime · 01/02/2026 21:30

CJsGoldfish · 01/02/2026 20:48

It is estimated that there were at least 3,800 children detained last year. Of course, this number will only be increasing.
There is also a legally binding federal agreement regarding children in detention with a 20 day max for children to be held. Of course, this regime wishes to terminate that agreement and is holding thousands beyond that 20 days.
In addition to the court order to release Liam Ramos, there was another to release a 2 yr old who was taken a couple of days after Liam Ramos, that 'worst of the worst' , when ICEstapo smashed the window to force entry into a car she was in. Not an isolated incident
I cannot imagine the trauma to these children and the tacit condonation of this treatment by those who parrot the regime lies.

So would you be happy preventing the deportations of illegal migrants that have committed child rape and murder?

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ice-reveals-worst-of-the-worst-arrests-in-just-one-day-after-rounding-up-thugs-convicted-of-vile-crimes.amp

DeepBlueDeer · 01/02/2026 21:33

1dayatatime · 01/02/2026 21:30

So would you be happy preventing the deportations of illegal migrants that have committed child rape and murder?

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ice-reveals-worst-of-the-worst-arrests-in-just-one-day-after-rounding-up-thugs-convicted-of-vile-crimes.amp

Do we know if the 100th person to post "nobody in this thread has any objection to illegal immigrants being deported, provided enforcement is carried out legally and constitutionally" wins a prize?

Must be coming up soon!

Gloriia · 01/02/2026 21:34

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Oh right and 'nazis nazis nazis and ICESTAPO' on repeat is high level debate?!

DeepBlueDeer · 01/02/2026 21:35

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Gloriia · 01/02/2026 21:35

DdraigGoch · 01/02/2026 21:25

Many of those detained were not in the US illegally.

Or, had breached terms of their visas/broken laws etc? Once you're in you have to abide by laws you know.

TooBigForMyBoots · 01/02/2026 21:38

Gloriia · 01/02/2026 20:40

Or, as most people can see those in a country illegally need removing as we can't all up sticks and ignore rules to live where we please. Law enforcement officers have a job to do, thankfully now with the local leaders assisting not obstructing.

You're clearly ignorant of immigration in the US. Most immigrants in the US are documented, work, pay tax and contribute to their community and the country as a whole as they lawfully progress to becoming US citizens.

They are productive and necessary to the US economy.

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DdraigGoch · 01/02/2026 21:46

Gloriia · 01/02/2026 21:35

Or, had breached terms of their visas/broken laws etc? Once you're in you have to abide by laws you know.

Many were perfectly law-abiding, going through the process by the book.