So upset about ICE killings in Minnesota

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So upset about the killings. No investigation and victim blaming from the Trump administration. I see no hope for America. Trump will cancel the midterms possibly elections or will rig them. The most powerful western country - one we thought was our friend is dying
im so sad for the bereaved and do sad for the country

But that is the curse of being in Government, I don't think that the fall in support for Trump is due to his immigration policies but more to do with the economy.

Everyone has high expectations when a new Government is elected which rapidly turns into frustration or anger when things don't change that much.

Its no different to Labour losing support from the left going to the Greens or to a lesser extent from the right going to Reform.

And to be fair to Labour there is not a lot that they can do. They can't increase debt (as Liz Truss and also Rachel Reeves found out/ is finding out).
They can't cut spending because their backbenchers will rebel. And the tax increases that they have put through simply slow the economy.
So they (and pretty much any other party in the same position) are stuffed whatever they do.

I saw the car/ kick vid. My thought was that car had terrible build quality.

So Gloriia. Do you agree with Trump that people should not be walking about with guns ?

She was part of an actual lynch mob, formed of thousands of people and she was climbing through a window into a barricaded room containing high-profile lawmakers while being shouted at to get back.

Completely different, eyewitnesses said that Lieutenant Byrd saved lives that day. And he still had to go through a proper investigation, which the Federal Government are refusing to do in these cases.

Renee Good was given conflicting instructions and Jonathan Ross deliberately moved into the way, continuing to fire shots as she passed him - that one of the latter two shots was the fatal one is what makes it unambiguously murder.

Alex Pretti went down to help a woman who had been thrown to the ground, was pinned down and shot many times. Again, murder.

as the objective has been largely achieved.

Remind me, what exactly was the objective in Minnesota again?

Many developed countries don't use juries for most trials.

Just seen this question asked somewhere - why demonstrate in a country you have entered illegally waving the flag of the country you have escaped and don’t want to live in anymore! Not just America but all over Europe and the UK

Agreed, crazy behaviour by agitators.

I don't think that the fall in support for Trump is due to his immigration policies but more to do with the economy.

It's both.

'She was part of an actual lynch mob, formed of thousands of people and she was climbing through a window into a barricaded room containing high-profile lawmakers while being shouted at to get back. Completely different'

So you think Babbitt deserved to be shot as she was part of an 'actual lynch mob'?! Who were they trying to 'lynch'?

You would say it was completely different wouldn't you?

Most can see the similarities, agitators getting into a volatile situation with armed officers, ignoring instructions, level of threat being assessed incorrectly and people getting shot.

There are definitely similarities. Ashli Babbitt was a US Air Force veteran so her death at the hands of armed law enforcement officers was very sad. But all of these deaths are awful.

I think now there will be a change in tactics, especially as the numbers entering the US illegally has massively gone down.

I can barely be bothered answering this inane question, but here goes. If you are referring to protesting and waving a flag of a country whose people are suffering terrible harm e.g. Palestine. It is to show support for the victims, and protest and the actions of those perpetrating the harm and the Western Government who is colluding with it.

Looks like there's going to be a change of tack

Yes even Trump is not persisting
in trying to whitewash what ICE did in this case..

Who were they trying to lynch? Have you really no idea? Were the chants of "hang Mike Pence" not a clue?

Of course it was fucking different. Anyone with the use of their eyes can see that. Lieutenant Byrd saved lives that day, and the investigation cleared him. Thousands of people stormed the Capitol. It's incredibly different from emptying your magazine into someone you've restrained.

If you're so convinced that Ross and the two CBP officers are in the right, then why hasn't a full, independent investigation commenced?

This is what you're defending. Poor kid.

www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/liam-ramos-ice-detention-center-health-b2910289.html

I agree. For asylum seekers it’s not a choice. It’s about not wanting to live in a country, it’s about their lives being at risk. Many would go back if the country was made safe.

Ukrainians, for example. I spoke to a lovely lady in the US who loves her country and would go back in a heartbeat, but now her kids have been in the US for most of their lives and have settled.

when the US left Afghanistan there were many professional women- lawyers, dr’s etc smuggled out as their lives were at risk. They are working from outside the country to change things, and would go back if it were safe.

Perhaps we are watching a different video, or perhaps this is just another example of you doing exactly what you are supposed to do. You're told what you see, so that is what you see. And you are SO adamant without acknowledging you are being manipulated. THAT'S the funny part.

He assaulted their vehicle. They were IN the vehicle when he spat. He kicked their vehicle.
There really isn't any context to this timely video so it is hard to tell what led up to this and why they didn't continue their usual pattern of beating up their victims rather than just arrest him without the macho show of thuggery. They really did seem to want to hightail it out of there after stopping their exit, piling out of the car to 'deal with him' and suddenly changing their mind. Weren't even bothered by his clearly visible gun. 🤔
He was zero threat to them and a snippet of a video does not suddenly mean he was a violent, nasty man. In fact, there is overwhelming evidence that he was not. But you are promoting the narrative you've been assigned 🤷‍♀️

"He shouldn't have been shot BUT....."

Classic use of 'but' but I'm sure you know that 😆

This is what you're defending. Poor children.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ice-reveals-worst-of-the-worst-arrests-in-just-one-day-after-rounding-up-thugs-convicted-of-vile-crimes.amp

@1dayatatime That is Fox News is being selective. ICE was not only arresting illegals immigrants who were criminals. That’s what they were originally doing but that was not what was happening in this latest movement. They were being indiscriminate.

No we aren't.

No one on here has argued against enforcement of immigration laws in principle. We're saying that officers must respect people's constitutional rights, and that they're only supposed to be picking up actual illegal immigrants - not just anyone with brown skin or a funny accent.

Nope. I'd say 'most' do not see any similarities between someone who is part of a group of dozens of the thousands strong violent rioters who were very clear about WHY they were there. Three police officers were trying to defend the House chambers behind them whilst those who could be evacuated, could be. The moment the police fell back, they tried to smash their way through, intent on harm. Not even slightly comparable.

"agitators"? There you go again 😂

I'd say that the level of threat was absolutely assessed correctly. They were not only assessing the immediate threat to themselves, they also had to assess the threat level to those they were protecting.
It must have been terrifying to have been faced with such violence, knowing many had 'turned up' with guns 🙄

Nope. You are choosing wilful ignorance which is never a good look.
Haven't seen a single person defend any such thing

You have seen the lies put out by the regime, right? So I assume you've looked at the Fox (Entertainment) article you posted. Why did you not mention that that at least 3 of those men look like they were already in jail? In different states. Convicted criminals probably do make up a lot of their numbers but they are not arresting them through intelligence 🙄

The people being rounded up off the streets by ICEstapo? Anyone who looks like the 'wrong' type of immigrant/citizen.
They know exactly what they are doing by using 'remigration' as a term as well.

This is a good watch. 'Worst of the worst'? 🙄

https://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch-congressman-confronts-kristi-noem-about-deporting-veterans-and-their-families/?intcid=CNM-00-10abd1h

This one might be too factual for you
https://www.instagram.com/p/DUCJDz_DxV9/

US citizen and army veteran testimony
https://www.instagram.com/reels/DSIXkllDOJS/

This is what the DHS said. Sounds familiar, hey?
As U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) and ICE agents were executing criminal search warrants on July 10 at the marijuana sites in Camarillo, CA, George Retes—a U.S. citizen—became violent and refused to comply with law enforcement. He challenged agents and blocked their route by refusing to move his vehicle out of the road. CBP arrested Retes for assault.

You can't defend the indefensible 🤷‍♀️

I have to keep repeating this.

These are convicted people. Been through the court system, and are doing their time.

ICE are picking them up from jail, driving them to the border.... AND SETTING THEM FREE.

How on earth is that protecting society?

You keep repeating fake stuff

I linked to one the prisoners you mentioned and found he was listed as on ‘supervised release’ ie out in the community. Why do you repeat lies that I’ve demonstrated to you are totally false?

Here’s the deal. Walz controls only state prisons and they are said to honor detainers so surprisingly he’s not the issue this time around.

It’s the county and city jails that are uncooperative. Namely Hennepin and Ramsey counties.

You can actually legally use some ‘racial profiling’ as part of it. So the fact you are part of a Spanish-speaking community, can’t speak English or have heavily accented English, you work alongside illegals, etc will be part of the determination to ask for proof of citizenship. So ethnicity isn’t the only reason you can stop someone, but it CAN be a factor.

Tbh I see nothing wrong with this. Because it’s not going to affect fully assimilated Hispanics.

But I know you will scream and cry about it.

Good.

Because I didn’t just vote for deporting the worst of the worst. That should be happening regardless of who is in Washington. Just a total no-brainer.

I voted along with 77 million other Americans for mass deportations.